Approx. SAC/Exam marks needed for 40+ raw in Chinese SL？

[ardria]

Hi

My Chinese SL SAC scores have slipped a bit recently so I'm wondering what I'd roughly have to do to rescue them, and roughly how well I'd need to score in both the Oral and Written exams to scale them up and score 40+ raw.

I am unsure what my ranking in my class is (private school Chinese class, not XJS), but likely somewhere in the ~top 4 out of 11. My teacher is a VCAA examiner and marks to this standard.

SAC 1 Personal Writing: 18/20 or 90% or A+
SAC 2 Listening: 9/10 or A+
SAC 3 Roleplay: 85% or A
SAC 4 Reading and Responding: 8/10 or A


Thanks in advance!

[CatherineMo2015]

you need scaled scores of at least 49/50 for both unit 3 and 4, and at least 355/400 for GA3, which means at least 90/100 for oral exam, and 66/75 above for written exam. Hope it helps.

[ardria]

you need scaled scores of at least 49/50 for both unit 3 and 4...

Wow, you need scaled SAC scores of almost 100%??

Are my current SAC scores able to be scaled to that if I performed extremely well in Oral and Written exams?

[CatherineMo2015]

Wow, you need scaled SAC scores of almost 100%??

Are my current SAC scores able to be scaled to that if I performed extremely well in Oral and Written exams?

you can check the 2016 VCE grade distribution, the A+ range for SAC is 47-50, but in the reality every 40+'s SAC score should be moderated to 50/50.
The SAC moderation depends on your cohort performance and your rank, but to be honest, you need A+ for every SAC as an indication of getting raw 40+.

[ardria]

you can check the 2016 VCE grade distribution, the A+ range for SAC is 47-50, but in the reality every 40+'s SAC score should be moderated to 50/50.
The SAC moderation depends on your cohort performance and your rank, but to be honest, you need A+ for every SAC as an indication of getting raw 40+.

I know of someone who scored raw B+ in all their Unit 3 SACs, then A+ in all their Unit 4 SACs and did very well in both exams and scored 41 raw, so their Unit 3 SACs must have been scaled up. So you don't necessarily need A+ raw for every single SAC?

[CatherineMo2015]

I know of someone who scored raw B+ in all their Unit 3 SACs, then A+ in all their Unit 4 SACs and did very well in both exams and scored 41 raw, so their Unit 3 SACs must have been scaled up. So you don't necessarily need A+ raw for every single SAC?

the raw mark itself is only an indication, only your ranking matters. In my SLA class, the students who got 50, 48, 47 did not achieve A+ for all the sacs, but they were at least rank 3 in the class. In addition, here is the secret, many teachers don't submit the raw SAC marks, they transfer your scores to a ranking of 50, 49, 48, 47, 46..., and then submit the 'internal scaled scores' to VCAA. So even someone got B+ and then 41 raw, this does not mean that it has been scaled up so much, his/her teacher might changed his/her sac score to 48+ out of 50. My student who got raw 48 (+ Premier's Award) only achieved a raw mark of 41/50 for unit 3 and 44/50 for unit 4, however 41 and 44 were the top scores, so her scores had been internally scaled up to a perfect SAC score of 50/50, and VCAA kept her perfect SAC score in the end:) This happens in almost every Chinese school. Hope it helps!

[ardria]

the raw mark itself is only an indication, only your ranking matters. In my SLA class, the students who got 50, 48, 47 did not achieve A+ for all the sacs, but they were at least rank 3 in the class. In addition, here is the secret, many teachers don't submit the raw SAC marks, they transfer your scores to a ranking of 50, 49, 48, 47, 46..., and then submit the 'internal scaled scores' to VCAA. So even someone got B+ and then 41 raw, this does not mean that it has been scaled up so much, his/her teacher might changed his/her sac score to 48+ out of 50. My student who got raw 48 (+ Premier's Award) only achieved a raw mark of 41/50 for unit 3 and 44/50 for unit 4, however 41 and 44 were the top scores, so her scores had been internally scaled up to a perfect SAC score of 50/50, and VCAA kept her perfect SAC score in the end:) This happens in almost every Chinese school. Hope it helps!

Thank you for this information! I do Chinese at a private school though, what if they don't submit 'internal scaled scores' like you say? How would it impact me? Do I benefit from a cohort that is small (~11 people I think) but with the top ~3-4 being really quite strong (raw 40+ contenders based on ability alone)? We don't know our rankings but I am definitely at least in the top 5.

[CatherineMo2015]

Thank you for this information! I do Chinese at a private school though, what if they don't submit 'internal scaled scores' like you say? How would it impact me? Do I benefit from a cohort that is small (~11 people I think) but with the top ~3-4 being really quite strong (raw 40+ contenders based on ability alone)? We don't know our rankings but I am definitely at least in the top 5.

When comes to the satisitical moderation, they use the highest, Q1, Q2, and Q3 as the base scores, and then moderate the SACs according to the interval of the raw marks. if there are 11 people in your class, Q1= rank 3, Q2= rank 6, if as you said, the top 3 is quite strong, then Q1 should be scaled up to 50/50, however, depends on how weak the rank 6 (Q2) is, if you are rank 4 or 5, then your SAC will be negatively influenced by the bad performance of rank 6, because your rank are not in the 'safe' zone (btw rank 1 and the rank 3).