Disadvantages of a weak cohort?

[m@tty]

I mean, schools submit your total SAC mark.

I think they just send your rank within the cohort. No actual mark is sent in. Can anyone confirm this?

I thought someone said somewhere here that the mark is sent in, but I'm not sure, I've heard both

Schools send in the raw mark. I know this for sure because it appeared on my statement of marks.

But, from what I've heard, this has no effect on the moderation process.

My understanding is that the spread of SAC scores is determined by the spread of results in the external assessments.

[Twenty10]

Every teacher i've asked says the same thing. "We send in your rank and if there is an unusual circumstance (First in exam but last in SAC etc) then VCAA ask the school to show them your actual marks."

Also: My accounting teacher stressed last year that he sends in no marks, only rank. Your SAC mark is derived from same position exam score.

All i know is that if you try hard and do well in SAC's and particularly the exam, you do well. So just try hard individually, all year round. Every year you hear or even see in the paper, 45+'s coming out of...lets say...schools that are not renowned for their high acedemic achievements. So dont lose hope!

[Hongld]

My teacher said they will send vcaa the overall SAC mark, which means your rank within the cohort?
I'll have a check with my teacher tomorrow..

[akira88]

Every teacher i've asked says the same thing. "We send in your rank and if there is an unusual circumstance (First in exam but last in SAC etc) then VCAA ask the school to show them your actual marks."

Also: My accounting teacher stressed last year that he sends in no marks, only rank. Your SAC mark is derived from same position exam score.

All i know is that if you try hard and do well in SAC's and particularly the exam, you do well. So just try hard individually, all year round. Every year you hear or even see in the paper, 45+'s coming out of...lets say...schools that are not renowned for their high acedemic achievements. So dont lose hope!

But what if hypothetically there is a huge margin between the person who is ranked first and second? How are the VCAA meant to know that and take it into account? However m@tty above confirmd that the raw marks are sent in as well, as he got his statement of marks

[iffets12345]

What you DON'T want to be, is rank one and then stuff up the exam. Then......you just ruin the whole ranking system in your school and everyone else's scores. Which makes you feel bad for yourself, but also responsible for everyone in your school. To be honest, I don't want to be rank one in anything.

[stonecold]

VCAA may receive the grades from a cohort, but as others have mentioned, I doubt whether they are used in the moderation process.  How can an B grade from one school be compared to  a B grade from antoher school?  It is simply unfair. 

They just use the rank, and best rank gets the best exam mark from cohort as their SAC mark, second best rank gets the second best exam mark from the cohort as their SAC mark...last rank gets the worst exam mark from the cohort as their SAC mark etc.

[akira88]

Shouldn't it be the other way round? The person with the best exam mark will get the best rank as their SAC mark? I hate this moderation stuff

[iNerd]

VCAA may receive the grades from a cohort, but as others have mentioned, I doubt whether they are used in the moderation process.  How can an B grade from one school be compared to  a B grade from antoher school?  It is simply unfair. 

They just use the rank, and best rank gets the best exam mark from cohort as their SAC mark, second best rank gets the second best exam mark from the cohort as their SAC mark...last rank gets the worst exam mark from the cohort as their SAC mark etc.

It is tru'' that a B grade from one school cant be compared to a B grade from another school but the same goes for Rank doesn't it? Isn't achieving a Rank 1 in select-entry schools such as MHS and Macrob HARDER then in a non-select school? Is there a special system for select-entry students?

[the.watchman]

VCAA may receive the grades from a cohort, but as others have mentioned, I doubt whether they are used in the moderation process.  How can an B grade from one school be compared to  a B grade from antoher school?  It is simply unfair. 

They just use the rank, and best rank gets the best exam mark from cohort as their SAC mark, second best rank gets the second best exam mark from the cohort as their SAC mark...last rank gets the worst exam mark from the cohort as their SAC mark etc.

It is tru'' that a B grade from one school cant be compared to a B grade from another school but the same goes for Rank doesn't it? Isn't achieving a Rank 1 in select-entry schools such as MHS and Macrob HARDER then in a non-select school? Is there a special system for select-entry students?

Well, as mentioned earlier, if the cohort exam results of MHS/Macrob are higher than whatever other school, then their rank will be 'scaled up', and vice versa.
The exam result is the yardstick