Simone Weil The Need for Roots

[Menang]

And a moral construct that is not derived from ressentiment would be?

As an umbrella moral concept: Doing your best, pushing yourself.
And in that I guess you can include:
Suicide: generally accepted as a negative moral aspect of society, because it's not beneficial to yourself. Although is can be a reaction to the exterior world, it's not done in order to limit the nobles and therefore not entirely ressentiment.
Gluttony: it's wrong to over eat because over eating if harmful to yourself - again, it's not defensive to an exterior world.
Bascially any moral concepts that are for your own good, as opposed to limiting other's dominance.

[Dr.Lecter]

Socrates' would say something like 'the good of the soul always outweighs the good of the body', hence birth is given to morality.

[mel_77777]

I mean no harm in saying this but acts such as gluttony and suicide can be escape routes for the weak. It's like drowning your sorrows by drinking alcohol which is something Nietzsche frowned upon. He also has a strong disregard for religion for it does this exact same thing, God will love us no matter who we are etc. This type of thing is regarded by Neitzsche as ignoring the situation one is in, it is somewhat similar to the slave morality in how they define the master as being bad and everything that is unlike them as being good and as such they define themselves as good.

[Menang]

I mean no harm in saying this but acts such as gluttony and suicide can be escape routes for the weak. It's like drowning your sorrows by drinking alcohol which is something Nietzsche frowned upon. He also has a strong disregard for religion for it does this exact same thing, God will love us no matter who we are etc. This type of thing is regarded by Neitzsche as ignoring the situation one is in, it is somewhat similar to the slave morality in how they define the master as being bad and everything that is unlike them as being good and as such they define themselves as good.

Haha, fair point. Gluttony and suicide probably aren't the best examples. But think of moral concepts like 'doing your best' (asian parents, lol) or working hard. I find it hard to believe these derive from ressentiment.
Of course, this is assuming that we all accept 'do not murder' and 'do not steal' as being derived from ressentiment. Nietzsche thinks so, but I can easily disagree and say that these laws were made not because the weak were scared of the strong, but because there was a universal agreement that murder and theft is harmful to the general populace. That's how Aristotle would have seen it. So it's also a matter of perspective, I guess.

[mel_77777]

I think the notions of 'do not murder' and 'do not steal' can again be seen as deriving from ressentiment. It's the slave morality right there, the birds of prey killing the lambs, so the lambs say it is wrong to murder so they can be seen as good.

Furthermore, i don't necessarily agree that these are universally accepted as such, but are more so dictated by the scoiety in which one lives. The killing of Osama Bin Laden for example was celebrated by many.

Anyway, haha i think we may need to agree to disagree here.

[Menang]

I think the notions of 'do not murder' and 'do not steal' can again be seen as deriving from ressentiment. It's the slave morality right there, the birds of prey killing the lambs, so the lambs say it is wrong to murder so they can be seen as good.

Furthermore, i don't necessarily agree that these are universally accepted as such, but are more so dictated by the scoiety in which one lives. The killing of Osama Bin Laden for example was celebrated by many.

Anyway, haha i think we may need to agree to disagree here.

I agree with agreeing to disagree.
Although, to be fair, you had some really strong points.

[Dr.Lecter]

This shit is subjective bro

[Menang]

We started on Weil last week - as a person her life sounds amazingly crazy. It'd be interested to read further about her ideas.

What do you guys think about her philosophy so far?

[Ghost!]

We started on Weil last week - as a person her life sounds amazingly crazy. It'd be interested to read further about her ideas.

What do you guys think about her philosophy so far?

Yeah, so did we! Are you having your SAC before the GAT? So little time to learn compared to the work spent on this previous semester just gone by. To make matters worse, a friend of mine thinks we shall be spending roughly two weeks per philosopher in Unit 4, it's going to be a lot of commitment.

Couldn't agree more! She did so much in such a short life, and was had an influential involvement in the lives of so many famous people! How much work have you covered so far in class? Her work personally is a little dull, although I suppose anyone's work seems dull when studied following the explosive writing of Nietzsche. It's a difficult to find any possible criticisms of her work as well, as this is the first year she has been included on the curriculum and therefore isn't a part of any past examiners reports! :/

[Menang]

We started on Weil last week - as a person her life sounds amazingly crazy. It'd be interested to read further about her ideas.

What do you guys think about her philosophy so far?

Yeah, so did we! Are you having your SAC before the GAT? So little time to learn compared to the work spent on this previous semester just gone by. To make matters worse, a friend of mine thinks we shall be spending roughly two weeks per philosopher in Unit 4, it's going to be a lot of commitment.

Couldn't agree more! She did so much in such a short life, and was had an influential involvement in the lives of so many famous people! How much work have you covered so far in class? Her work personally is a little dull, although I suppose anyone's work seems dull when studied following the explosive writing of Nietzsche. It's a difficult to find any possible criticisms of her work as well, as this is the first year she has been included on the curriculum and therefore isn't a part of any past examiners reports! :/

Exactly! After Nietzsche, Weil seems a little anticlimatic. Personally, though, I think I'll enjoy Weil. She's quite refreshing in asking us to help others, after the focus on the individual from Callicles and Nietzsche, and to en extent even Aristotle.
We haven't read much (literally one page in) but our SAC will be after the GAT, last week of term so we do still have some time.

Is yours going to be an essay SAC?
We did essays on Nietzsche, so Weil's going to be a socratic dialogue.

[Ghost!]

We started on Weil last week - as a person her life sounds amazingly crazy. It'd be interested to read further about her ideas.

What do you guys think about her philosophy so far?

Yeah, so did we! Are you having your SAC before the GAT? So little time to learn compared to the work spent on this previous semester just gone by. To make matters worse, a friend of mine thinks we shall be spending roughly two weeks per philosopher in Unit 4, it's going to be a lot of commitment.

Couldn't agree more! She did so much in such a short life, and was had an influential involvement in the lives of so many famous people! How much work have you covered so far in class? Her work personally is a little dull, although I suppose anyone's work seems dull when studied following the explosive writing of Nietzsche. It's a difficult to find any possible criticisms of her work as well, as this is the first year she has been included on the curriculum and therefore isn't a part of any past examiners reports! :/

Exactly! After Nietzsche, Weil seems a little anticlimatic. Personally, though, I think I'll enjoy Weil. She's quite refreshing in asking us to help others, after the focus on the individual from Callicles and Nietzsche, and to en extent even Aristotle.
We haven't read much (literally one page in) but our SAC will be after the GAT, last week of term so we do still have some time.

Is yours going to be an essay SAC?
We did essays on Nietzsche, so Weil's going to be a socratic dialogue.

That's lucky I guess, having it after the GAT. We have until the morning of the GAT to hand in our SAC, which is a take home essay yeah Ohhh that's so interesting! How do you format a Socratic dialogue for a SAC?

[Menang]

We started on Weil last week - as a person her life sounds amazingly crazy. It'd be interested to read further about her ideas.

What do you guys think about her philosophy so far?

Yeah, so did we! Are you having your SAC before the GAT? So little time to learn compared to the work spent on this previous semester just gone by. To make matters worse, a friend of mine thinks we shall be spending roughly two weeks per philosopher in Unit 4, it's going to be a lot of commitment.

Couldn't agree more! She did so much in such a short life, and was had an influential involvement in the lives of so many famous people! How much work have you covered so far in class? Her work personally is a little dull, although I suppose anyone's work seems dull when studied following the explosive writing of Nietzsche. It's a difficult to find any possible criticisms of her work as well, as this is the first year she has been included on the curriculum and therefore isn't a part of any past examiners reports! :/

Exactly! After Nietzsche, Weil seems a little anticlimatic. Personally, though, I think I'll enjoy Weil. She's quite refreshing in asking us to help others, after the focus on the individual from Callicles and Nietzsche, and to en extent even Aristotle.
We haven't read much (literally one page in) but our SAC will be after the GAT, last week of term so we do still have some time.

Is yours going to be an essay SAC?
We did essays on Nietzsche, so Weil's going to be a socratic dialogue.

That's lucky I guess, having it after the GAT. We have until the morning of the GAT to hand in our SAC, which is a take home essay yeah Ohhh that's so interesting! How do you format a Socratic dialogue for a SAC?

Not entirely sure, yet, but we have an example.
I attached it if you wanted to have a look.

Also - it's a dialogue, not 100% sure if it's Socratic though...

[Ghost!]

We started on Weil last week - as a person her life sounds amazingly crazy. It'd be interested to read further about her ideas.

What do you guys think about her philosophy so far?

Yeah, so did we! Are you having your SAC before the GAT? So little time to learn compared to the work spent on this previous semester just gone by. To make matters worse, a friend of mine thinks we shall be spending roughly two weeks per philosopher in Unit 4, it's going to be a lot of commitment.

Couldn't agree more! She did so much in such a short life, and was had an influential involvement in the lives of so many famous people! How much work have you covered so far in class? Her work personally is a little dull, although I suppose anyone's work seems dull when studied following the explosive writing of Nietzsche. It's a difficult to find any possible criticisms of her work as well, as this is the first year she has been included on the curriculum and therefore isn't a part of any past examiners reports! :/

Exactly! After Nietzsche, Weil seems a little anticlimatic. Personally, though, I think I'll enjoy Weil. She's quite refreshing in asking us to help others, after the focus on the individual from Callicles and Nietzsche, and to en extent even Aristotle.
We haven't read much (literally one page in) but our SAC will be after the GAT, last week of term so we do still have some time.

Is yours going to be an essay SAC?
We did essays on Nietzsche, so Weil's going to be a socratic dialogue.

That's lucky I guess, having it after the GAT. We have until the morning of the GAT to hand in our SAC, which is a take home essay yeah Ohhh that's so interesting! How do you format a Socratic dialogue for a SAC?

Not entirely sure, yet, but we have an example.
I attached it if you wanted to have a look.

Also - it's a dialogue, not 100% sure if it's Socratic though...

Oh wow hahaha! That seems like so much work, do you have a minimum page/word limit! Seems like by far the most enjoyable format of assessment I've seen in the majority of VCE classes, with the exception of perhaps Imaginative Context in English!

[Menang]

We started on Weil last week - as a person her life sounds amazingly crazy. It'd be interested to read further about her ideas.

What do you guys think about her philosophy so far?

Yeah, so did we! Are you having your SAC before the GAT? So little time to learn compared to the work spent on this previous semester just gone by. To make matters worse, a friend of mine thinks we shall be spending roughly two weeks per philosopher in Unit 4, it's going to be a lot of commitment.

Couldn't agree more! She did so much in such a short life, and was had an influential involvement in the lives of so many famous people! How much work have you covered so far in class? Her work personally is a little dull, although I suppose anyone's work seems dull when studied following the explosive writing of Nietzsche. It's a difficult to find any possible criticisms of her work as well, as this is the first year she has been included on the curriculum and therefore isn't a part of any past examiners reports! :/

Exactly! After Nietzsche, Weil seems a little anticlimatic. Personally, though, I think I'll enjoy Weil. She's quite refreshing in asking us to help others, after the focus on the individual from Callicles and Nietzsche, and to en extent even Aristotle.
We haven't read much (literally one page in) but our SAC will be after the GAT, last week of term so we do still have some time.

Is yours going to be an essay SAC?
We did essays on Nietzsche, so Weil's going to be a socratic dialogue.

That's lucky I guess, having it after the GAT. We have until the morning of the GAT to hand in our SAC, which is a take home essay yeah Ohhh that's so interesting! How do you format a Socratic dialogue for a SAC?

Not entirely sure, yet, but we have an example.
I attached it if you wanted to have a look.

Also - it's a dialogue, not 100% sure if it's Socratic though...

Oh wow hahaha! That seems like so much work, do you have a minimum page/word limit! Seems like by far the most enjoyable format of assessment I've seen in the majority of VCE classes, with the exception of perhaps Imaginative Context in English!

Honestly, I don't know the details of the SAC yet. I'm not even sure if it's supposed to be done in class. I don't think so, though, because we're actually supposed to pair up for this SAC (heheh, groupwork for VCE) so I'd think that this would be done outside class time.