Wing gundam zero v 00 Raiser v Strike Freedom

[EvangelionZeta]

To point 3. What does Heero having supposed newtype abiltites with ZERO system have to do with here, if we are gonna talk with the gundams abiltites I thinks its clear Setsuna owns with 00 raiser. I dont see how Heero has any newtype abilities, he is just a perfect soldier and has been specially trained, yes hes extremely strong but im talking innovators abiltites to read the thoughts of enemies? okay? So Setsuna's newtype abilities > Heero's possible newtype abiltites.

To point 4. Of course I have no evidence on zechs being like graham but we can only make educated guesses can we? U dont have evidence that 00 raisers sword cudnt cut thru gundamnium alloy yet you said previously that it probs cudnt, so ur being a hypocrite.

To point 5. Wufei isn't anything special as a pilot, hes above average, nothing more. Setsuna did get defeated by what umm 2 mobile suits that were 5 years ahead in technology (one ahead and the other was gn-III), he hadnt piloted a mobile suit in 4 years and his suit was battered, so indeed a good time to make a comparsion (unfair much?) and yes it was pre innovation so why even consider it once again.

So I think I have proved that (note and please note) after innovation is on par or better than Heero in terms of piloting ability.

1. Like I said, not 100% sure, but I've heard somewhere there are random throwaway phrases in Gundam Wing suggesting Heero is a Newtype.  I've emphasised the whole time that this is only potentially, but Quatre exhibits psychic powers throughout the show that suggest he is definitely a Newtype, and I believe Trieze gets a few Newtype flash/mind reading moments throughout the show.  Wufei was also supposedly designed with being a Newtype in mind (in his character development by the staff), so it's not entirely impossible Heero is one as well, especially given his seemingly superhuman reflexes and understanding of things.

2. My rationale for the Gundamnium alloy withstanding the GN Sword II/III is based on observations - in Wing, even freaking beam sabers don't have that much effect on the stuff (Zechs saber-whipping Heavyarms in Antarctica, for instance).  Also consider how the Buster Shield was capable of blocking the Twin Buster Rifle completely - I'm sorry, but the GN Sword hasn't been shown destroying entire colonies.

3. Wufei isn't anything special as a pilot?  He came close to Treize (who is generally accepted as the best pilot in all of Gundam Wing) near the end of the series, and he certainly would have had the coordination/physical ability to be a very capable pilot given his martial arts skills.

4. The Leo was over 20 years old by the time of Endless Waltz, whilst Nataku was beyond state of the art.  The Gundams had been sent to the sun, so Heero hadn't touched a suit in two years? 

5. Setsuna was up against one suit for most of the time - the GNX-III fired like three shots the whole battle.  Still, point taken about it being unfair on his part, plus pre-Innovation. 

6. Spatial awareness aside (ie. psychic powers), Heero would probably still have the edge over Setsuna because of his mental conditioning; he is more or less a super soldier, or what a natural human is capable of at its peak (ignoring potential newtype powers).  Setsuna gets around that level with psychic powers, I guess, but in terms of the topic's original argument Heero has the piloting edge because of the ZERO system in a combat situation.

[Over9000]

To point 3. What does Heero having supposed newtype abiltites with ZERO system have to do with here, if we are gonna talk with the gundams abiltites I thinks its clear Setsuna owns with 00 raiser. I dont see how Heero has any newtype abilities, he is just a perfect soldier and has been specially trained, yes hes extremely strong but im talking innovators abiltites to read the thoughts of enemies? okay? So Setsuna's newtype abilities > Heero's possible newtype abiltites.

To point 4. Of course I have no evidence on zechs being like graham but we can only make educated guesses can we? U dont have evidence that 00 raisers sword cudnt cut thru gundamnium alloy yet you said previously that it probs cudnt, so ur being a hypocrite.

To point 5. Wufei isn't anything special as a pilot, hes above average, nothing more. Setsuna did get defeated by what umm 2 mobile suits that were 5 years ahead in technology (one ahead and the other was gn-III), he hadnt piloted a mobile suit in 4 years and his suit was battered, so indeed a good time to make a comparsion (unfair much?) and yes it was pre innovation so why even consider it once again.

So I think I have proved that (note and please note) after innovation is on par or better than Heero in terms of piloting ability.

1. Like I said, not 100% sure, but I've heard somewhere there are random throwaway phrases in Gundam Wing suggesting Heero is a Newtype.  I've emphasised the whole time that this is only potentially, but Quatre exhibits psychic powers throughout the show that suggest he is definitely a Newtype, and I believe Trieze gets a few Newtype flash/mind reading moments throughout the show.  Wufei was also supposedly designed with being a Newtype in mind (in his character development by the staff), so it's not entirely impossible Heero is one as well, especially given his seemingly superhuman reflexes and understanding of things.

2. My rationale for the Gundamnium alloy withstanding the GN Sword II/III is based on observations - in Wing, even freaking beam sabers don't have that much effect on the stuff (Zechs saber-whipping Heavyarms in Antarctica, for instance).  Also consider how the Buster Shield was capable of blocking the Twin Buster Rifle completely - I'm sorry, but the GN Sword hasn't been shown destroying entire colonies.

3. Wufei isn't anything special as a pilot?  He came close to Treize (who is generally accepted as the best pilot in all of Gundam Wing) near the end of the series, and he certainly would have had the coordination/physical ability to be a very capable pilot given his martial arts skills.

4. The Leo was over 20 years old by the time of Endless Waltz, whilst Nataku was beyond state of the art.  The Gundams had been sent to the sun, so Heero hadn't touched a suit in two years?  

5. Setsuna was up against one suit for most of the time - the GNX-III fired like three shots the whole battle.  Still, point taken about it being unfair on his part, plus pre-Innovation.  

6. Spatial awareness aside (ie. psychic powers), Heero would probably still have the edge over Setsuna because of his mental conditioning; he is more or less a super soldier, or what a natural human is capable of at its peak (ignoring potential newtype powers).  Setsuna gets around that level with psychic powers, I guess, but in terms of the topic's original argument Heero has the piloting edge because of the ZERO system in a combat situation.

For point 2. How can u even think of comparing two different animes justly? You have to assume stuff so dont try and act like ur assumption was any better than mine?? How would anyone know how 00 raisers swords matchup to gundanium alloy, im actually of the thought that it wud rip thru it.

Point 3. You bring up one case of Heero being an exceptional pilot (perhaps his best moment), and then u contrast that with Setsunas worst moments like start of season 2, ur unfair comparison. How about trying to compare the 2 in a fairer manner coz it just doesnt work when you take one case of heero being really good and setsunas worst case.

Other than that, I think I proved Setsuna is an excellent pilot even pre innovation so I dont know what else there is to be argued besides you bringing up his pre innovation battles where hes lost and had a battered suit.

[Flaming_Arrow]

00 Raiser

[Over9000]

Endless waltz, Heero and Wufei have a close battle, umm Heero's gundam was superior. This one case shows wufei is better than Heero then, right?
So its rather dodgy to take just one battle scene and say Heero is invincible coz of it, (like ur wufei vs Heero one b4).

[EvangelionZeta]

To point 3. What does Heero having supposed newtype abiltites with ZERO system have to do with here, if we are gonna talk with the gundams abiltites I thinks its clear Setsuna owns with 00 raiser. I dont see how Heero has any newtype abilities, he is just a perfect soldier and has been specially trained, yes hes extremely strong but im talking innovators abiltites to read the thoughts of enemies? okay? So Setsuna's newtype abilities > Heero's possible newtype abiltites.

To point 4. Of course I have no evidence on zechs being like graham but we can only make educated guesses can we? U dont have evidence that 00 raisers sword cudnt cut thru gundamnium alloy yet you said previously that it probs cudnt, so ur being a hypocrite.

To point 5. Wufei isn't anything special as a pilot, hes above average, nothing more. Setsuna did get defeated by what umm 2 mobile suits that were 5 years ahead in technology (one ahead and the other was gn-III), he hadnt piloted a mobile suit in 4 years and his suit was battered, so indeed a good time to make a comparsion (unfair much?) and yes it was pre innovation so why even consider it once again.

So I think I have proved that (note and please note) after innovation is on par or better than Heero in terms of piloting ability.

1. Like I said, not 100% sure, but I've heard somewhere there are random throwaway phrases in Gundam Wing suggesting Heero is a Newtype.  I've emphasised the whole time that this is only potentially, but Quatre exhibits psychic powers throughout the show that suggest he is definitely a Newtype, and I believe Trieze gets a few Newtype flash/mind reading moments throughout the show.  Wufei was also supposedly designed with being a Newtype in mind (in his character development by the staff), so it's not entirely impossible Heero is one as well, especially given his seemingly superhuman reflexes and understanding of things.

2. My rationale for the Gundamnium alloy withstanding the GN Sword II/III is based on observations - in Wing, even freaking beam sabers don't have that much effect on the stuff (Zechs saber-whipping Heavyarms in Antarctica, for instance).  Also consider how the Buster Shield was capable of blocking the Twin Buster Rifle completely - I'm sorry, but the GN Sword hasn't been shown destroying entire colonies.

3. Wufei isn't anything special as a pilot?  He came close to Treize (who is generally accepted as the best pilot in all of Gundam Wing) near the end of the series, and he certainly would have had the coordination/physical ability to be a very capable pilot given his martial arts skills.

4. The Leo was over 20 years old by the time of Endless Waltz, whilst Nataku was beyond state of the art.  The Gundams had been sent to the sun, so Heero hadn't touched a suit in two years?  

5. Setsuna was up against one suit for most of the time - the GNX-III fired like three shots the whole battle.  Still, point taken about it being unfair on his part, plus pre-Innovation.  

6. Spatial awareness aside (ie. psychic powers), Heero would probably still have the edge over Setsuna because of his mental conditioning; he is more or less a super soldier, or what a natural human is capable of at its peak (ignoring potential newtype powers).  Setsuna gets around that level with psychic powers, I guess, but in terms of the topic's original argument Heero has the piloting edge because of the ZERO system in a combat situation.

For point 2. How can u even think of comparing two different animes justly? You have to assume stuff so dont try and act like ur assumption was any better than mine?? How would anyone know how 00 raisers swords matchup to gundanium alloy, im actually of the thought that it wud rip thru it.

Point 3. You bring up one case of Heero being an exceptional pilot (perhaps his best moment), and then u contrast that with Setsunas worst moments like start of season 2, ur unfair comparison. How about trying to compare the 2 in a fairer manner coz it just doesnt work when you take one case of heero being really good and setsunas worst case.

Other than that, I think I proved Setsuna is an excellent pilot even pre innovation so I dont know what else there is to be argued besides you bringing up his pre innovation battles where hes lost and had a battered suit.

1. I at least try to justify my educated guess, whereas you basically just said "Graham and Zechs are probably around the same level" without giving any reasons.  I even provided semi-direct comparisons which make sense: TBR is blocked by Gundanium shield, TBR destroys colonies, GN Sword II isn't blocked by whatever Gundams in 00 are made of, GN Sword can't destroy colonies, ergo Gundanium>>>>GN Sword II.

2. What are Setsuna's best moments?  It's meaningless to rebut the manner in which I'm arguing if you can't actually provide any evidence to change that manner.  Offhand I can think of several other moments of Heero's which are more impressive (eg. beating a better-armed Zechs numerous times throughout the series, holding off large numbers of Aries/Virgos in a Leo, etc.), and the opposite for Setsuna (almost being beaten by Sergei in an oversized hunk of crap, almost getting killed by Ali pre-Trans-Am, etc.).

3. The other thing is that post-Innovation, you haven't actually listed any of Setsuna's impressive feats.  The only one I can think of is him catching Graham's sword; other than that, pretty much all he ever does is abuse the absurdly overpowered abilities the 00 Raiser has access to.

4. Heero clearly wasn't trying to beat Wufei in that fight - he was trying to get Wufei to come to his senses.  The other thing is that Wing Zero wasn't superior in that situation; Nataku has a rating of "170" in fighting (which is presumably close range combat, as Heavyarms has the lowest there) whilst Wing Zero has "150". 

[Over9000]

Setsunas good moments, he was undefeated post-innovation,do u really need an example of good moments?? Anyway end of season 1 he defeated graham when conditions were agaisnt him I already sed that before but u seem to have ignored it lol. Setsuna has defeated large numbers of enemies before, hes defeated every pilot in the gundam 00 universe who were a threat he beat 2 innovators and a mobile armor in what mere seconds, enuff proof?
Yeh of course you could say its all his gundam but did u see anyone else using trans am burst mode and quantizing themselves, even ribbons an innovator, no? All the thing that setsuna has done that no one else seems to be able to do, graham with his twin drives and trans am cudnt stand a chance, I dont see how you can even have an argument. 00 Raisers overpowered abiltities come from Setsuna being an innovator, so that goes under piloting skills I suppose. You seem to leech of Setsuna's lack of piloting skillz in the earlier stages of the anime, considering Ive always been reffering to him post-innnovation until u went off topic, maybe this is a sign you have no true argument.

Ye, you say Heero wasnt trying to beat wufei in endless waltz, okay clearly then wufei wasnt trying to beat Heero while he was piloting Nataku, you have no proof, you just say wufei wasnt trying so it makes ur argument look better. Anyway, ive destroyed almost all of ur arguments, first u claim hes not a good pilot then u bring in examples of him pre innvoation which arent related to the topic, u say that his foes had weak suits and I explained thrones and gn drvie equipped custom flags arent weak. So id like to summarise that Setsuna is a wayy better pilot than u make him out to be. Btw, wing zero is the strongest fighter in gundam wing, look it up on wiki.

[EvangelionZeta]

Setsunas good moments, he was undefeated post-innovation,do u really need an example of good moments?? Anyway end of season 1 he defeated graham when conditions were agaisnt him I already sed that before but u seem to have ignored it lol. Setsuna has defeated large numbers of enemies before, hes defeated every pilot in the gundam 00 universe who were a threat he beat 2 innovators and a mobile armor in what mere seconds, enuff proof?
Yeh of course you could say its all his gundam but did u see anyone else using trans am burst mode and quantizing themselves, even ribbons an innovator, no? All the thing that setsuna has done that no one else seems to be able to do, graham with his twin drives and trans am cudnt stand a chance, I dont see how you can even have an argument. 00 Raisers overpowered abiltities come from Setsuna being an innovator, so that goes under piloting skills I suppose. You seem to leech of Setsuna's lack of piloting skillz in the earlier stages of the anime, considering Ive always been reffering to him post-innnovation until u went off topic, maybe this is a sign you have no true argument.

Ye, you say Heero wasnt trying to beat wufei in endless waltz, okay clearly then wufei wasnt trying to beat Heero while he was piloting Nataku, you have no proof, you just say wufei wasnt trying so it makes ur argument look better. Anyway, ive destroyed almost all of ur arguments, first u claim hes not a good pilot then u bring in examples of him pre innvoation which arent related to the topic, u say that his foes had weak suits and I explained thrones and gn drvie equipped custom flags arent weak. So id like to summarise that Setsuna is a wayy better pilot than u make him out to be. Btw, wing zero is the strongest fighter in gundam wing, look it up on wiki.

1. Ok, he beat Graham.  I'll count that one.  But...

2. "did u see anyone else using trans am etc." Obviously not...hence it was his Gundam, because it was the only one capable of pulling off stunts like that...  Thanks for predicting what I'd say btw. 

3. Ok, I'll accept 00 Raiser's overpowered abilities coming from Setsuna as well.  (:

4. You haven't really told me why Setsuna's Innovation makes him so much better though.  He picks up the ability to read minds I guess; but that's about the same thing as the ZERO system (or a lower level Newtype ability), meaning that you're basically taking early Setsuna's skill +a bit of psychic power.  Hence Setsuna pre-Innovation is relavant; it helps us assess how good he is post-Innovation.

5. I don't have proof?  Heero spent the whole fight talking to Wufei, trying to make him come to his senses.  He was trying to win a psychological battle; by this stage, Heero is trying to create a world of peace and it would be extremely out of character for him to try and persuade Wufei (who he knows is reasonable) through force.  It's inference through analysis of the characters themselves. 

6. Your examples of Thrones and the GN-Flag are *drumroll* all from Setsuna pre-Innovation.  Did he ever face anything more broken than the 00-Raiser after his upgrade?

7. Wing Zero is the strongest overall Gundam in Wing arguably (tied with Epyon stats-wise), but you're disregarding that it was a melee fight.  Wing Zero edges out Nataku in terms of having speed and big guns, but in a melee fight the stats suggest Nataku has the edge...

[Over9000]

Setsunas good moments, he was undefeated post-innovation,do u really need an example of good moments?? Anyway end of season 1 he defeated graham when conditions were agaisnt him I already sed that before but u seem to have ignored it lol. Setsuna has defeated large numbers of enemies before, hes defeated every pilot in the gundam 00 universe who were a threat he beat 2 innovators and a mobile armor in what mere seconds, enuff proof?
Yeh of course you could say its all his gundam but did u see anyone else using trans am burst mode and quantizing themselves, even ribbons an innovator, no? All the thing that setsuna has done that no one else seems to be able to do, graham with his twin drives and trans am cudnt stand a chance, I dont see how you can even have an argument. 00 Raisers overpowered abiltities come from Setsuna being an innovator, so that goes under piloting skills I suppose. You seem to leech of Setsuna's lack of piloting skillz in the earlier stages of the anime, considering Ive always been reffering to him post-innnovation until u went off topic, maybe this is a sign you have no true argument.

Ye, you say Heero wasnt trying to beat wufei in endless waltz, okay clearly then wufei wasnt trying to beat Heero while he was piloting Nataku, you have no proof, you just say wufei wasnt trying so it makes ur argument look better. Anyway, ive destroyed almost all of ur arguments, first u claim hes not a good pilot then u bring in examples of him pre innvoation which arent related to the topic, u say that his foes had weak suits and I explained thrones and gn drvie equipped custom flags arent weak. So id like to summarise that Setsuna is a wayy better pilot than u make him out to be. Btw, wing zero is the strongest fighter in gundam wing, look it up on wiki.

1. Ok, he beat Graham.  I'll count that one.  But...

2. "did u see anyone else using trans am etc." Obviously not...hence it was his Gundam, because it was the only one capable of pulling off stunts like that...  Thanks for predicting what I'd say btw.  

3. Ok, I'll accept 00 Raiser's overpowered abilities coming from Setsuna as well.  (:

4. You haven't really told me why Setsuna's Innovation makes him so much better though.  He picks up the ability to read minds I guess; but that's about the same thing as the ZERO system (or a lower level Newtype ability), meaning that you're basically taking early Setsuna's skill +a bit of psychic power.  Hence Setsuna pre-Innovation is relavant; it helps us assess how good he is post-Innovation.

5. I don't have proof?  Heero spent the whole fight talking to Wufei, trying to make him come to his senses.  He was trying to win a psychological battle; by this stage, Heero is trying to create a world of peace and it would be extremely out of character for him to try and persuade Wufei (who he knows is reasonable) through force.  It's inference through analysis of the characters themselves.  

6. Your examples of Thrones and the GN-Flag are *drumroll* all from Setsuna pre-Innovation.  Did he ever face anything more broken than the 00-Raiser after his upgrade?


7. Wing Zero is the strongest overall Gundam in Wing arguably (tied with Epyon stats-wise), but you're disregarding that it was a melee fight.  Wing Zero edges out Nataku in terms of having speed and big guns, but in a melee fight the stats suggest Nataku has the edge...

Lol, okay. Post innnovation there was mr Bushidos gundam with trans am, setsuna beat it. There was Ribbons gundam, Setsuna drew with it, there were the 2 innovators suits with trans am that setsuna brushed off, how many more trans am users do u need for proof lol, he beat them all. Do you not understand that Setsuna was undefeated in second half of season 2, whats the need for anaylsis in season 1 if he is obviously good enuff to handle such a powerful gundam, he is able to somehow make the 00 raiser do things no other twin drive gundam can do, and the rate at which he can defeat high tier suits is great. So i ask wtf is ur point or argument, original argument by you, is that Setsuna cant even handle ali and graham and thus Heero is better?I think I sed did u see anyone else u trans am burst mode, not just trans am nice manipulation there rofl?? I have no idea wat ur on about in point 6, for point 7 it wasnt really melee, u know melee is close quarters its not at a distance where the nataku needs to stretch its ultra long arms to reach wing zero.....

To summarise Season 1: Setsuna okay he starts suky I admit it, but then by the end of the season, oh he just beats two gundams in a row despoite his gundam being damaged for the second one and underpowered in the first fight.
Season 2: After receiving 00 raiser upgrade, he doesnt lose a fight, and dominates everyone else, he has the ability to make insane thing happen on the gundam that others cant, so I guess that makes him quite a GOOD pilot???

Its funny how u try to argue that sum1 who is invincible as a pure innovator in the gundam 00 universe, who hasnt lost a fight since innovating, is sum1 who Heero can best. Then you go as far as to wrongly assume that gundam 00 magically has all those abilities built in coz CB knew about all that shit ahh noooo. Most of the rapage abilties of 00 raiser seem to stem from Setsuna being a pure innovator, thus proving my point that hes better than Heero (not a newtype, zero system isnt counted in his skills coz its an additional function of the gundam not him). Heeros special abilities, the super awesome ability to attempt suicide alot? You also say that Setsunas newtype abilities are weak, compared to what, Heero's non existent newtype abilities, coordinators (pfft they're alot weaker than innovators).

[EvangelionZeta]

Ok, how about we reach a compromise?

1v1, in a fight using their favoured suits, Setsuna has more abilities than Heero does and is thus the better pilot+will probably win.

1v1, using Zaku IIs from the original Gundam series (aka generic grunt A), Heero is more likely to win because it's based purely on reflexes and non-supernatural abilities.

Agreed?

And also that Amuro Ray is the best pilot in the Gundam mythos, so it doesn't matter who wins anyway.  (:

[TrueTears]

lol I've read a lot that says Amuro Ray is the best, but I've never seen the original Gundam. Is he 1337hax0r?

[IntoTheNewWorld]

Goku vs 00 Raiser with Setsuna, who would win?





...or how long would it take for Goku to own?

[TrueTears]

Goku vs 00 Raiser with Setsuna, who would win?





...or how long would it take for Goku to own?

LOL. Both can kaoiken (seriously trans-am is just robot with kaoiken) and both can instant transmission (quantize ftw!!)

[Over9000]

Ok, how about we reach a compromise?

1v1, in a fight using their favoured suits, Setsuna has more abilities than Heero does and is thus the better pilot+will probably win.

1v1, using Zaku IIs from the original Gundam series (aka generic grunt A), Heero is more likely to win because it's based purely on reflexes and non-supernatural abilities.

Agreed?

And also that Amuro Ray is the best pilot in the Gundam mythos, so it doesn't matter who wins anyway.  (:

Il agree to that, that is reasonable. Setsuna is powerful but I do feel its that suit plus him that is so uber (I get the feeling that he is a better top tier suit pilot, he makes strong gundams work much better) while heero is just better trained for combat in a mobile suit but doesnt have the supernatural abiltities. And yes amuro rey is the best, but I hate the look of him

[Over9000]

Goku vs 00 Raiser with Setsuna, who would win?





...or how long would it take for Goku to own?

LOL. Both can kaoiken (seriously trans-am is just robot with kaoiken) and both can instant transmission (quantize ftw!!)

Lol, they are similar, damn.

[EvangelionZeta]

lol I've read a lot that says Amuro Ray is the best, but I've never seen the original Gundam. Is he 1337hax0r?

Ok, basically, by the end of the first series, the Gundam has been mass-produced by the Earth Federation, and the mass-produced Gundams (GMs) are basically the same as the Gundam itself except with less armour etc.  Meanwhile, Zeon (the enemies) have developed mass-produced mobile suits called Gelgoogs which are actually more powerful than the Gundam (higher specs, more weapons, etc.), whilst also having an arsenal of overpowered Mobile Armours+special ace suits (including a giant tank-like Mobile Armour that is more or less impervious to any ranged weaposn).  Basically, imagine SEED if Kira was stuck in the Strike Gundam for the whole series, and that's roughly where Amuro's technology is at compared to the enemy's Forbidden Gundam+Raider Gundam+Calamity Gundam, fleets of GuAIZs, etc.

In the final battles of the series, Amuro isn't just winning; he is absolutely owning everything Zeon throws at him, including custom-made super-powered mobile suits,  and the Gundam itself (which is still more or less state-of-the-art) is actually struggling to keep up with his piloting skill.  I believe there's one oft-quoted feat where Amuro destroys 14 higher-end mobile suits in less than a minute (using a beam rifle and a beam saber).  In the series' final battle, Amuro defeats Char Aznable (who is well known enough for people to basically **** their pants when he comes along) whilst piloting a far-inferior mobile suit.

It doesn't stop there though.  Unlike most Gundam protagonists, Amuro basically lives as a soldier for most of his life.  Before we move on though, consider that by the end of the first series he has acquired the nickname "White Devil", purely on his piloting skills given that the Gundam's performance isn't actually better than most of its enemies about halfway through the original series.

Anyway, by the time of Amuro's last appearance (Char's Counterattack), he's a well known test pilot and is so pro that the Earth Federation government is too scared to lend him any mobile suits which could potentially utilise the full extent of his Newtype powers.  The opening of the Char's Counterattack movie sees Amuro using a glorified grunt suit to more or less defeat Char (in the most powerful mobile suit in the entire film) plus another ace guy in a Newtype-enabled ace suit with funnels.  Then Amuro gets his Nu Gundam and (accompanied by like a squad of grunts and a battleship) singlehandedly takes down Char's entire fleet, which is comprised entirely of the aforementioned ace-style suits (which have funnels), a monster of a mobile armour (with funnels, beam field, BFG, etc.), battleships and even Char himself.  Finally, Char decides to push a giant asteroid base onto the Earth to effectively nuke all life on it...except Amuro literally goes up to the asteroid and with the help of his Newtype powers actually manages to PUSH THE FREAKING ASTEROID BACK INTO SPACE AFTER IT HAS ENTERED THE ATMOSPHERE.

Also, note that like 90% of his opponents are Newtypes.

Not only are Amuro's feats ridiculous, but as a pilot he displays ingenuity which is unmatched once compared to basically any Gundam pilot apart from Garrod Ran from Gundam X (and Garrod is basically known entirely for his intelligence and resourcefulness).  Along with conventional fighting (ie. shooting the enemy), Amuro utilises basically every trick in the book to great effect in fighting; he drops weapons in front of himself to throw off the enemy's attention, he uses dummy balloons to distract the enemy, etc. all the time whilst maintaining an offensive, keeping him a level above pretty much any other ace ever  (and you thought Shinn was smart in his defeat of the Freedom Gundam...).  

This video basically embodies Amuro's raw piloting talent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpA-1sozp_E

Note how unlike Celestial Being and the Strike Freedom, Amuro doesn't have the weapons available for him to do anything apart from basically take out his enemies one by one (the Universal Century funnels are mind controlled, so you can't really spam them).