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Re: Expensive private schools
« Reply #45 on: October 11, 2009, 10:05:23 pm »
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right, i go to a public school and i have been given 10psychology practice exams, and we are starting full revision practice exams this week meaning more to come. point still proven? what you hear is different from what you experience, thus don't use what you hear as a point.

I was merely saying that there are some public schools out there which are clearly well below par. But also this wasn't something I just heard off the rumour mill, its the truth. I don't want to get into an arguement, just my personal view point is that private school is worth it, and I understand people view it differently.
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Re: Expensive private schools
« Reply #46 on: October 11, 2009, 10:10:17 pm »
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ULTIMATELY

YES, it is a FACT Private school's have all these lecturers and VCE Assessors, and print more exam papers, and buy company exams etc etc.

But you can't say its worth the $50,000 you pay, or how much ever it is, but then again you can't put a value on education.

Look, it really comes down to what YOU make out of your situation. Like man, go to a developing country, lets say I don't know, Indonesia, you have scientists, millionaires, politicians, engineers....and ti's a DEVELOPING country.

It's the same here, you have people from public schools (developing countries) who can be whatever they wish to if they put their efforts.

Private schools imo just make it easier i guess? And having VCAA assessors as teachers can allow them to give you hints and dieas from the thousands of exams they read.

I always say "I wish I went to a private school" then i switch and say "I wouldn't ever want to pay that money"

In today's society you can get to your destination in various ways, whether through TAFE, or VCE.<<<<that is the MOST important. Let's say for arguments sake Private schools are better, public schoolers are still able to reach their destination and become dentists, lawyers etc.






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Re: Expensive private schools
« Reply #47 on: October 11, 2009, 10:14:00 pm »
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oh, woops. i couldn't extract the part some public schools from the generalisation you made.

from what I have heard, in public schools this is not always the case.
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Re: Expensive private schools
« Reply #48 on: October 11, 2009, 10:15:03 pm »
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To add to this point, a friend of mine goes to a public school and got given 1 practice psychology paper from their school, whereas my school gave us 16. I am speaking purely from what former public school students have told me, as I have never attended a public school. This is just what I hear.

right, i go to a public school and i have been given 10psychology practice exams, and we are starting full revision practice exams this week meaning more to come. point still proven? what you hear is different from what you experience, thus don't use what you hear as a point.
I agree with you ngRising, However this is the weird thing

Visual Communcaiton- we have been printed every exam (like 5)
International Politics= only ONE, my teacehr just said "you can get the rest urselves off the net"
Maths= my teacher said we cnat print several exams for the 3 classes, so we only got 1
Economcis= been given like 3

It varies. But yeah, i'm not debating about which is better, but just like it varies in public schools, it varies in private, it comes down to TEACHER, not the umbrella term of "if its public/private"=thats merely a business term.

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« Reply #49 on: October 11, 2009, 10:15:45 pm »
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oh, woops. i couldn't extract the part some public schools from the generalisation you made.

from what I have heard, in public schools this is not always the case.
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Re: Expensive private schools
« Reply #50 on: October 11, 2009, 10:20:08 pm »
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Why are we arguing over which schools print out more trial exams lol
Lets add some evidence to the debate. This ones for all the public students out there  :)


http://www.monash.edu.au/news/newsline/story/350

Public school students perform well at university


6 April 2005

A study released today by Monash University researchers Ian Dobson and Eric Skuja has found students from public schools outperform those from private schools when they reach university.

Mr Dobson said a survey of 12,500 first year Monash University students revealed public school students who left Year 12 with lower marks than their private school rivals overtook them academically at university.

"Once on a level playing field, students from non-selective government schools tend to do much better," he said.

"Private school students have an advantage at exam time in Year 12 because they have access to more resources. However, this advantage evaporates when they reach university."

The report found that once at university, public school students performed better academically in their first year compared with private school students who received similar ENTER scores.

"We found that, on average, government school students performed about five percentage points better than students from independent schools," Mr Dobson said.

The study confirmed that private school students generally received higher Year 12 marks than those from the public system but showed that any edge gained was lost in the first year of a bachelor degree.

Mr Dobson said the report had implications for university admissions and policies.

The report, called 'Secondary schooling, tertiary entry ranks and university performance', will be released in the April edition of People and Place, distributed by Monash University's Centre for Urban Research and Population Studies.

The report can be accessed at http://elecpress.monash.edu.au/pnp/view/issue/?volume=13&issue=1.

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Re: Expensive private schools
« Reply #51 on: October 11, 2009, 10:25:14 pm »
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I think the amount of money a school has does influence the quality of education significantly, even within government schools. I think there was that article in the Age a while back where it showed the school fees of the most expensive government schools in Melbourne, which also coincided with some of the highest performing government schools in Melbourne. Not just MHS and Macrob, but also Balwyn, Glen Waverly, Box Hill etc. These schools also make much more from fund raising then other government schools.

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Re: Expensive private schools
« Reply #52 on: October 11, 2009, 10:25:19 pm »
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LMAO!!! MAN MAGNUM! (note the caps illustrating awe), thats awesome!

It hits it right on the nail.

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Re: Expensive private schools
« Reply #53 on: October 11, 2009, 10:30:01 pm »
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From experience (and note that it only mentions 1st year specifically), the higher scores for public school students is more a result of private school students' mentalities - to quote a friend, in first year they tend to think they're "top shit" because of their private education and as a result don't put in as much effort into Uni because they think they'll breeze through it like with VCE.  Hence private school students tend to do a lot better than they did 1st year come 2nd year onwards...
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Re: Expensive private schools
« Reply #54 on: October 11, 2009, 10:37:21 pm »
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may I also add, 2 past TEACHERS of mine (so not necessarily my view) said also because private school pplz are given many resources, notes etc and don't do as mch self learning, or research so that they then rely on teachers.

Whereas in private schools because we don';'t get given all exams for example, and because we are given a lot of independent task work and h/w we are more better at researching ourselves???

But yeah, I guess I SEE where teacehrs are coming from. Look overall tis a myriad of reasons.

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Re: Expensive private schools
« Reply #55 on: October 11, 2009, 10:41:54 pm »
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Yeah, I'd agree with that.  Still, it should only affect private school students negatively for a brief period; most of my friends who hit 1st year realised they were getting pwned pretty quickly in, so in essence it's like being thrown from the shallow pool to the deep end, whereas public school students are used to the deep end already. 

Basically, everyone ends up in the deep end and starts swimming eventually, so I guess the moral of the story is that at Uni everyone wins.  (:
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Re: Expensive private schools
« Reply #56 on: October 11, 2009, 10:43:56 pm »
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Lets add some evidence to the debate. This ones for all the public students out there  :)

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Re: Expensive private schools
« Reply #57 on: October 11, 2009, 11:06:50 pm »
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Saying that public schools are better because their graduates "tend to, on average" perform better in the first year of their university degree is as logically fallacious as saying private schools are better because their students tend to get more practice exams =\
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Re: Expensive private schools
« Reply #58 on: October 11, 2009, 11:10:44 pm »
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From experience (and note that it only mentions 1st year specifically), the higher scores for public school students is more a result of private school students' mentalities - to quote a friend, in first year they tend to think they're "top shit" because of their private education and as a result don't put in as much effort into Uni because they think they'll breeze through it like with VCE.  Hence private school students tend to do a lot better than they did 1st year come 2nd year onwards...

lol I have that mentality which is bad because I'm 'top shit' academically at my public school when I'd probably be mediocore at a private school.

I've never attended a private school but I can see how it has a plethora of benefits, it's just the fees are a little ridiculous (for me, personally, considering my parents are too stingy to even pay my current school fees). And scholarships/applying for atypical public schools haven't worked (see above).

Anyway, we were given a lot of practise exams and some of my teachers have written VCE textbooks and were past VCAA assessors so that's not exclusive to just private schools.
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Re: Expensive private schools
« Reply #59 on: October 11, 2009, 11:12:15 pm »
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Saying that public schools are better

sorry i missed it. who said public schools are better. im a bit tired. i've only read comparisons in terms of pratice exams etc. :S
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