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U.N Security Council veto power
« on: October 24, 2009, 02:39:09 am »
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So just wondering if you think the five permanent members of the U.N security council (United States, Russia, United Kingdom, France, China) should have the right to veto any draft resolution passed.  

Do you think it's fair? Do you think it should be changed? Do you think it should be abolished?  .... in terms of what i think, i think it should be abolished, and not just concetrate power into a few hands...

Here's a list U.N Security Council's resolutions vetoed (blocked) by America (the other's do to, it's just that America vetoes the most since 1970's)

1972 Condemns Israel for killing hundreds of people in Syria and Lebanon in air raids.
1973 Afirms the rights of the Palestinians and calls on Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories.
1976 Condemns Israel for attacking Lebanese civilians.
1976 Condemns Israel for building settlements in the occupied territories.
1976 Calls for self determination for the Palestinians.
1976 Afirms the rights of the Palestinians.
1978 Urges the permanent members (USA, USSR, UK, France, China) to insure United Nations decisions on the maintenance of international peace and security.
1978 Criticises the living conditions of the Palestinians.
1978 Condemns the Israeli human rights record in occupied territories.
1978 Calls for developed countries to increase the quantity and quality of development assistance to underdeveloped countries.
1979 Calls for an end to all military and nuclear collaboration with the apartheid South Africa.
1979 Strengthens the arms embargo against South Africa.
1979 Offers assistance to all the oppressed people of South Africa and their liberation movement.
1979 Concerns negotiations on disarmament and cessation of the nuclear arms race.
1979 Calls for the return of all inhabitants expelled by Israel.
1979 Demands that Israel desist from human rights violations.
1979 Requests a report on the living conditions of Palestinians in occupied Arab countries.
1979 Offers assistance to the Palestinian people.
1979 Discusses sovereignty over national resources in occupied Arab territories.
1979 Calls for protection of developing counties' exports.
1979 Calls for alternative approaches within the United Nations system for improving the enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms.
1979 Opposes support for intervention in the internal or external affairs ofstates.
1979 For a United Nations Conference on Women.
1979 To include Palestinian women in the United Nations Conference on Women.
1979 Safeguards rights of developing countries in multinational trade negotiations.
1980 Requests Israel to return displaced persons.
1980 Condemns Israeli policy regarding the living conditions of the Palestinian people.
1980 Condemns Israeli human rights practices in occupied territories. 3 resolutions.
1980 Afirms the right of self determination for the Palestinians.
1980 Offers assistance to the oppressed people of South Africa and their national liberation movement.
1980 Attempts to establish a New International Economic Order to promote the growth of underdeveloped countries and international economic co-operation.
1980 Endorses the Program of Action for Second Half of United Nations Decade for Women.
1980 Declaration of non-use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states.
1980 Emphasises that the development of nations and individuals is a human right.
1980 Calls for the cessation of all nuclear test explosions.
1980 Calls for the implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples.
1981 Promotes co-operative movements in developing countries.
1981 Affirms the right of every state to choose its economic and social system in accord with the will of its people, without outside interference in whatever form it takes.
1981 Condemns activities of foreign economic interests in colonial territories.
1981 Calls for the cessation of all test explosions of nuclear weapons.
1981 Calls for action in support of measures to prevent nuclear war, curb the arms race and promote disarmament.
1981 Urges negotiations on prohibition of chemical and biological weapons.
1981 Declares that education, work, health care, proper nourishment, national development, etc are human rights.
1981 Condemns South Africa for attacks on neighbouring states, condemns apartheid and attempts to strengthen sanctions. 7 resolutions.
1981 Condemns an attempted coup by South Africa on the Seychelles.
1981 Condemns Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, human rights policies, and the bombing of Iraq. 18 resolutions.
1982 Condemns the Israeli invasion of Lebanon. 6 resolutions (1982 to 1983).
1982 Condemns the shooting of 11 Muslims at a shrine in Jerusalem by an Israeli soldier.
1982 Calls on Israel to withdraw from the Golan Heights occupied in 1967.
1982 Condemns apartheid and calls for the cessation of economic aid to South Africa. 4 resolutions.
1982 Calls for the setting up of a World Charter for the protection of the ecology.
1982 Sets up a United Nations conference on succession of states in respect to state property, archives and debts.
1982 Nuclear test bans and negotiations and nuclear free outer space. 3 resolutions.
1982 Supports a new world information and communications order.
1982 Prohibition of chemical and bacteriological weapons.
1982 Development of international law.
1982 Protects against products harmful to health and the environment .
1982 Declares that education, work, health care, proper nourishment, national development are human rights.
1982 Protects against products harmful to health and the environment.
1982 Development of the energy resources of developing countries.
1983 Resolutions about apartheid, nuclear arms, economics, and international law. 15 resolutions.
1984 Condemns support of South Africa in its Namibian and other policies.
1984 International action to eliminate apartheid.
1984 Condemns Israel for occupying and attacking southern Lebanon.
1984 Resolutions about apartheid, nuclear arms, economics, and international law. 18 resolutions.
1985 Condemns Israel for occupying and attacking southern Lebanon.
1985 Condemns Israel for using excessive force in the occupied territories.
1985 Resolutions about cooperation, human rights, trade and development. 3 resolutions.
1985 Measures to be taken against Nazi, Fascist and neo-Fascist activities .
1986 Calls on all governments (including the USA) to observe international law.
1986 Imposes economic and military sanctions against South Africa.
1986 Condemns Israel for its actions against Lebanese civilians.
1986 Calls on Israel to respect Muslim holy places.
1986 Condemns Israel for sky-jacking a Libyan airliner.
1986 Resolutions about cooperation, security, human rights, trade, media bias, the environment and development. 8 resolutions.
1987 Calls on Israel to abide by the Geneva Conventions in its treatment of the Palestinians.
1987 Calls on Israel to stop deporting Palestinians.
1987 Condemns Israel for its actions in Lebanon. 2 resolutions.
1987 Calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon.
1987 Cooperation between the United Nations and the League of Arab States.
1987 Calls for compliance in the International Court of Justice concerning military and paramilitary activities against Nicaragua and a call to end the trade embargo against Nicaragua. 2 resolutions.
1987 Measures to prevent international terrorism, study the underlying political and economic causes of terrorism, convene a conference to define terrorism and to differentiate it from the struggle of people from national liberation.
1987 Resolutions concerning journalism, international debt and trade. 3 resolutions.
1987 Opposition to the build up of weapons in space.
1987 Opposition to the development of new weapons of mass destruction.
1987 Opposition to nuclear testing. 2 resolutions.
1987 Proposal to set up South Atlantic "Zone of Peace".
1988 Condemns Israeli practices against Palestinians in the occupied territories. 5 resolutions (1988 and 1989).
1989 Condemns USA invasion of Panama.
1989 Condemns USA troops for ransacking the residence of the Nicaraguan ambassador in Panama.
1989 Condemns USA support for the Contra army in Nicaragua.
1989 Condemns illegal USA embargo of Nicaragua.
1989 Opposing the acquisition of territory by force.
1989 Calling for a resolution to the Arab-Israeli conflict based on earlier UN resoltions.
1990 To send three UN Security Council observers to the occupied territories.
1995 Afirms that land in East Jerusalem annexed by Israel is occupied territory.
1997 Calls on Israel to cease building settlements in East Jerusalem and other occupied territories. 2 resolutions.
1999 Calls on the USA to end its trade embargo on Cuba. 8 resolutions (1992 to 1999).
2001 To send unarmed monitors to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.
2001 To set up the International Criminal Court.
2002 To renew the peace keeping mission in Bosnia.
2002 on the killing by Israeli forces of several United Nations employees and the destruction of the World Food Programme (WFP) warehouse.
2003 on the Israeli decision to "remove" Palestinian Authority leader Yasser Arafat.
2003 on the security wall built by Israel in the West Bank.
2004 on the condemnation of the killing of Ahmed Yassin, the leader of the Islamic Resistance Movement Hamas.
2004 on the termination of the mandate of the UN Peacekeeping Force in Cyprus (UNFICYP)'s mandate and replacing it with the UN Settlement Implementation Mission in Cyprus (UNSIMIC).
2004 on the demand to Israel to halt all military operations in northern Gaza and withdraw from the area.
2006 on the demand for the unconditional release of an Israeli soldier captured earlier as well as Israel's immediate withdrawal from Gaza and the release of dozens of Palestinian officials detained by Israel.
2006 on the Israeli military operations in Gaza, the Palestinian rocket fire into Israel, the call for immediate withdrawal of Israeli forces from the Gaza Strip and a cessation of violence from both parties in the conflict.
2007 on Myanmar.
2008 condemning the violence by the government of Zimbabwe against civilians after the elections of June 27 and demanding an immediate cease of attacks against and intimidation of opposition members and supporters.
2009 on the extension of the UN observer mission's mandate in Georgia and Abkhazia.
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Re: U.N Security Council veto power
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2009, 03:49:58 am »
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Do you think it's fair? Do you think it should be changed? Do you think it should be abolished?  .... in terms of what i think, i think it should be abolished, and not just concetrate power into a few hands...
No, but in international relations rarely anything is fair.
Yes it should be changed, but something like that would probably have to get past the Security Council, so ...
Not sure about abolished ...

Another example: China annually (I think?) vetoes Taiwan's inclusion as a member of the UN, thereby precluding its recognition as a state. No comment on whether this is bad or not, make up your own minds :P
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Re: U.N Security Council veto power
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2009, 10:47:09 pm »
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which is bad...

China and Taiwan... oh the issues there...China wants it back right? and America supports Taiwan... since the Chinese revolution when Chiang Kai Shek was kicked out ... for anyone doing revolutions...
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Re: U.N Security Council veto power
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2009, 10:48:30 pm »
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people vote! don't just look! lol
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Re: U.N Security Council veto power
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2009, 02:03:38 pm »
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Interesting that China/Taiwan was only an afterthought for you, Truelight.

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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2009, 03:19:37 pm »
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well i don't really watch stuff relating to China and Taiwan, i just know that there's tension there since way back during the revolution... i'm more into American politics since their the one's with much power and the one whose vetoed the most....China hardly ever vetoes compared to the rest unless of course its domestic issues
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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2009, 05:18:04 pm »
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and America supports Taiwan...
... but values its relationship with China too much to do anything really drastic about it.

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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2009, 05:55:10 pm »
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true! they need China to buy their debt if they want to keep the dollar propped up
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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2009, 10:30:50 am »
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and America supports Taiwan...
... but values its relationship with China too much to do anything really drastic about it.

Stalemate.

America supports Taiwan in order to keep the status quo in the region. Waw between the PRC and ROC would mean the US would have to pick a side, and that side would most likely be Taiwan, based on past evidence. Therefore, the US has a vested interest in aiding Taiwan in order to preserve this status quo.

On the UN issue the entire United Nations is flawed, not just the SC. On the matter of the SC council though it is unfair since the power structure is from WW2. The only possible way it could be re-structured (a long shot) is to introduce more members to permanent status like Germany and Japan, but then the Chinese and Russians would veto that. The UN is in a perpetual state of dysfunction, it rarely does any good on global issues, it should be abolished.
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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2009, 03:21:58 pm »
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agreed especially your last line
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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2009, 03:48:12 pm »
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and America supports Taiwan...
... but values its relationship with China too much to do anything really drastic about it.

Stalemate.

America supports Taiwan in order to keep the status quo in the region. Waw between the PRC and ROC would mean the US would have to pick a side, and that side would most likely be Taiwan, based on past evidence. Therefore, the US has a vested interest in aiding Taiwan in order to preserve this status quo.

On the UN issue the entire United Nations is flawed, not just the SC. On the matter of the SC council though it is unfair since the power structure is from WW2. The only possible way it could be re-structured (a long shot) is to introduce more members to permanent status like Germany and Japan, but then the Chinese and Russians would veto that. The UN is in a perpetual state of dysfunction, it rarely does any good on global issues, it should be abolished.

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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2009, 08:48:38 pm »
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/jews-prove-easy-catch/comments-e6frfifo-1225791115315

Don't know if you have seen this article, but it brings us worrying issues about the UN.
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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2009, 09:10:29 pm »
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im not sure if i agree with the logic of the article

but yeah the UN in general hasn't really done any good

well it hasn't stopped all the wars since world war 2 etc..
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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2009, 09:44:11 pm »
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The only real intervention was the Gulf War of 1991, which only occured due to Russia's boycott and China's wish to carve a new image after Tianamen square. Other than that it has been inept and dysfunction with no presence anywhere in the world worth noting.
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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2009, 09:58:32 pm »
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The only real intervention was the Gulf War of 1991, which only occured due to Russia's boycott and China's wish to carve a new image after Tianamen square. Other than that it has been inept and dysfunction with no presence anywhere in the world worth noting.

I think your cynicism is a tad misplaced. The UN tends to fail largely due to the weaknesses of its member states. It is an extraordinarily difficult, perhaps impossible, task to design a body like the UN such that it doesn't infringe on the sovereignty of member states, yet still manages to keep world peace. If it leans too far to the right, you get an autocratic international government. Too far to the left (as it leans now) and you get an ineffective body which is destroyed largely due to the competing interests of member nations.

Striking the balance is almost impossible. And so, we get the UN as it is today, hampered by the countries that comprise it. Perhaps after a few more decades of education and diplomacy, member states will begin to see how supporting the UN will contribute to its strengthening and weeding out of disgusting abuses like Syria sponsoring a forum on human rights abuses in order to achieve a political agenda.
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