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[Gloamglozer]

Main plot hole I found

-How on Earth can it not cost more to send a whole bunch of people and equipment into space for 3 years, pay them a wage that makes it worth going into space for 3 years, pay for these highly expensive avatars and wage a major war than the actual price they'll get for the ununium?
-They never really explained why the chief decided that Jake was alright. The only reason he had for changing his mind was that he said he was a "warrior". People have been trying for 3 years to get these people's trust, and all you had to do was say you are a warrior? Also, what benefit does it bring these people to take this guy on and teach him the ropes?
-Why the fuck do these people have tails? They don't seem to have any real use and they only seem to get in the way
-Why does nobody punch the main guy in the face? Also, how could any female possibly like him? Or male actually....

But...  But...  It's a movie.

[schmalex]

I never said it wasn't a movie, I was just responding to the person who said there were no plot holes.

[Gloamglozer]

I never said it wasn't a movie, I was just responding to the person who said there were no plot holes.

Ah I see.  Many movies have plot holes and I wasn't ridiculing you for spotting the plot holes.

[dekoyl]

-How on Earth can it not cost more to send a whole bunch of people and equipment into space for 3 years, pay them a wage that makes it worth going into space for 3 years, pay for these highly expensive avatars and wage a major war than the actual price they'll get for the ununium?

Remember this is 2154 (bottom left corner of Jake's video logs) so space travel could be a lot more efficient. Unobtanium (not Ununium. Unobtanium is an actual term, by the way - not something uncreative pulled out of Cameron's ass) sells for $20 million USD a kilo. There are probably hundreds of thousands of tonnes underneath the world tree. I think the potential to make money clearly surpasses their expenses (and note that they were certain that they were going to get it. The question is, diplomatically or not).

-They never really explained why the chief decided that Jake was alright. The only reason he had for changing his mind was that he said he was a "warrior". People have been trying for 3 years to get these people's trust, and all you had to do was say you are a warrior? Also, what benefit does it bring these people to take this guy on and teach him the ropes?

What do you mean Jake was right? Anyway, yes, he said he was a warrior of the Jarhead clan. Remember the shaman (chief's wife, Neytiri's mother) had said they have tried teach the Sky people (humans) in the past but their "cups were already full". The people who tried to gain the trust of the Na'vi in the past were all scientists who had their own ideas of how things worked. Jake was merely following orders, without his own ideas. That's why he said "my cup is empty" so they saw potential to teach him their ways.
Also, remember that Jake is special. Remember the scene where the world tree's seeds, the "purest souls" all landed on Jake? Neytiri was going to kill him (and so was the heir of the clan) but she saw a sign.The shaman was also the one that dictated his death/acceptance. She tasted his blood and sensed his good heart.

-Why the fuck do these people have tails? They don't seem to have any real use and they only seem to get in the way

Are you for real? Did you miss the scenes where the Na'vi connected their tails to the horse? To the flying things? To the tree of souls (where they could hear their ancestors)?
The tail is like a brain stem with all these neuro-receptors at the end. All the trees on Pandora are connected neurologically, like a brain (Dr. Grace Augustine tried to explain this to the corporate guy who thought trees were just trees). This explains why they could hear their ancestors as well because the memories were stored within the trees.
All animals have this neuro-receptor as well. That's why they could command the animals they were riding with their minds ("Shut up and fly straight!"; "Go!"; "Bank left!").
My bad. Too heated up and read wrong. >_>

-Why does nobody punch the main guy in the face? Also, how could any female possibly like him? Or male actually....

Why do you feel he needs to be punched in the face?


I don't think the points you listed are plot holes.

[schmalex]

-How on Earth can it not cost more to send a whole bunch of people and equipment into space for 3 years, pay them a wage that makes it worth going into space for 3 years, pay for these highly expensive avatars and wage a major war than the actual price they'll get for the ununium?

Remember this is 2154 (bottom left corner of Jake's video logs) so space travel could be a lot more efficient. Unobtanium (not Ununium. Unobtanium is an actual term, by the way - not something uncreative pulled out of Cameron's ass) sells for $20 million USD a kilo. There are probably hundreds of thousands of tonnes underneath the world tree. I think the potential to make money clearly surpasses their expenses (and note that they were certain that they were going to get it. The question is, diplomatically or not).

I disagree here.

-They never really explained why the chief decided that Jake was alright. The only reason he had for changing his mind was that he said he was a "warrior". People have been trying for 3 years to get these people's trust, and all you had to do was say you are a warrior? Also, what benefit does it bring these people to take this guy on and teach him the ropes?

What do you mean Jake was right? Anyway, yes, he said he was a warrior of the Jarhead clan. Remember the shaman (chief's wife, Neytiri's mother) had said they have tried teach the Sky people (humans) in the past but their "cups were already full". The people who tried to gain the trust of the Na'vi in the past were all scientists who had their own ideas of how things worked. Jake was merely following orders, without his own ideas. That's why he said "my cup is empty" so they saw potential to teach him their ways.
Also, remember that Jake is special. Remember the scene where the world tree's seeds, the "purest souls" all landed on Jake? Neytiri was going to kill him (and so was the heir of the clan) but she saw a sign.The shaman was also the one that dictated his death/acceptance. She tasted his blood and sensed his good heart.

But the chief didn't know the tree of souls thing. He didn't listen to his daughter when she said there was a sign. His change of mind was fairly sudden. And this still doesn't explain what they had to gain from teaching him their ways.

-Why the fuck do these people have tails? They don't seem to have any real use and they only seem to get in the way

Are you for real? Did you miss the scenes where the Na'vi connected their tails to the horse? To the flying things? To the tree of souls (where they could hear their ancestors)?
The tail is like a brain stem with all these neuro-receptors at the end. All the trees on Pandora are connected neurologically, like a brain (Dr. Grace Augustine tried to explain this to the corporate guy who thought trees were just trees). This explains why they could hear their ancestors as well because the memories were stored within the trees.
All animals have this neuro-receptor as well. That's why they could command the animals they were riding with their minds ("Shut up and fly straight!"; "Go!"; "Bank left!").

I most certainly did see that scene, but it wasn't a tail it was their hair. Maybe YOU should be paying better attention.
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-Why does nobody punch the main guy in the face? Also, how could any female possibly like him? Or male actually....

Why do you feel he needs to be punched in the face?


I don't think the points you listed are plot holes.

[dekoyl]

Well if you disagree then I can't say anything to that. Really, I can't.

The spiritual shaman, the chief's wife, was the one that dictated whether people like Jake will live or die, as Neytiri whispered to him when the shaman was coming out for the first time. She could "see into him". What she said was the final word so the chief had to change his mind. Also, true, they have nothing to gain from the humans. I dunno, they're nice people. All the clans together only amassed to 2000-ish. Having another strong and somewhat special warrior in their clan wouldn't hurt.

True, that was their hair so my bad. I think the tail is to help them keep their balance because of all the agile movements they do.

Still, I don't think they're plot holes. More like things you disliked about the movie but you've got the right to dislike it. No one will force you to watch Avatar 2.

[the.watchman]

Still, I don't think they're plot holes. More like things you disliked about the movie but you've got the right to dislike it. No one will force you to watch Avatar 2.

Lol Avatar 2, when the real US army blows the whole Pandora up, that's no fun!

[schmalex]

They are things I disliked about the movie, but I disliked them because I spent the whole movie trying to think of a decent explanatino and couldn't. But I guess I probably wouldn't have liked it that much anyway.

[physics]

its the #1 in australi or somethin... but something about it i dont like >.>

[ninwa]

-How on Earth can it not cost more to send a whole bunch of people and equipment into space for 3 years, pay them a wage that makes it worth going into space for 3 years, pay for these highly expensive avatars and wage a major war than the actual price they'll get for the ununium?

In engineering, fiction, or thought experiments, unobtainium is a humorous concept for any extremely rare, costly, or physically impossible material needed to fulfill a given design for a given application. The properties of any particular unobtainium depend on the intended use. For example, a pulley made of unobtainium might be massless and frictionless. However, if used in a nuclear rocket, unobtainium would be light, strong at high temperatures, and resistant to radiation damage.

i.e. the writers can make unobtainium as expensive as they want it to be

-They never really explained why the chief decided that Jake was alright. The only reason he had for changing his mind was that he said he was a "warrior". People have been trying for 3 years to get these people's trust, and all you had to do was say you are a warrior? Also, what benefit does it bring these people to take this guy on and teach him the ropes?

I wondered that too. I'm guessing the writers also wondered that. And made up those floaty "pure soul" things to fill up that hole. It's sci-fi... they can do whatever they want, I think to a certain degree you have to throw away that logical part of your brain when you watch sci-fi

-Why the fuck do these people have tails? They don't seem to have any real use and they only seem to get in the way

I think it's to help them balance, since they so often walk on such precarious places like thin tree branches.

-Why does nobody punch the main guy in the face? Also, how could any female possibly like him? Or male actually....

Cos you can't have a movie without a stupid cliche'd romance these days >_>

To clarify, I loved Avatar because the effects were just breath-taking, and whoever created that magical world has an enviable imagination. I definitely didn't watch it for the plot - I could guess what was going to happen about 30 minutes into the film -_-

[Mao]

After seeing Na'vi, human girls just don't cut it for me any more.

Can you find one human girl who can shoot an arrow that pierce armour, knock people out with a bow, ride a flying dragon and whose mum can transfer one's consciousness from one vessel to another?
That's right, I didn't think so

oh, and they run around in g-string all day, c'mon, srsly?

[the.watchman]

After seeing Na'vi, human girls just don't cut it for me any more.

LOL, do you like tails

[ninwa]

Okay, why the hell are people smiting schmalex just because she expressed an opinion that's different to yours??

[Fyrefly]

Okay, why the hell are people smiting schmalex just because she expressed an opinion that's different to yours??

Have a look at the times logged... schmalex smited first... dekoyl retaliated... danieltennis joined in (and crappy too I guess?)

http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php?action=ownkarma;u=13965
http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php?action=ownkarma;u=3217

So I suppose the situation just reversed itself: was there any need for schmalex to smite, just because dekoyl expressed a different opinion?

[ninwa]

Oh thanks for that Fyrefly.

Though tbh I would smite someone too for calling me ignorant for having a different opinion...