Should France ban the veil?

[Bohr]

LOL @ Cthulhu.

[Abdi]

Islam does not deprive woman of any right, It is said in the holy quran, women ( mothers in specific )are the key to paradise if you treat them well and respect them truely! for they go through the agony and pain of having you in the first place, a burden no other sex goes through!

[enwiabe]

Abdi, when you say "women are prized possessions" your entire argument loses credibility.

Cavemen treat women as possessions. Civilised men treat women as equals.

[Abdi]

by prized possesions I meant to say something that is dear to us, and that we cherish so much with love.... I see that I stuffed up what I meant to say and you are excatly right by saying that cavemen treat their wives as 'prized possessions'. soo yeah my bad with the terminolgy! :|

[Abdi]

and by possesions I meant possesions of God!

[enwiabe]

Assigning anything but full blame to men for leering at women is blatant sexism.

It's not a woman's fault how she looks. It's entirely up to the man to control how he acts because of it. Failure to control his own actions is entirely his fault.

Apportioning any blame to the woman is absurd. Let me lead you down a bit of a logical pathway to show you just how sexist this is.

Do you agree that women generally have an active sexual drive and are generally physically attracted to men?

[Abdi]

yes!

[enwiabe]

Then how come men don't have to cover up in the same way that women do?

[Abdi]

Islam approaches women as a Gem whose beauty is for only deserving eyes
and whose intellect is for all the world to learn from not only by her personal teachings but by the children she raises in the sanctity of a solid home.
Whereas the West approaches women as sexual beings, women who are valued for her sexuality and physical beauty, claiming to value their intellect yet appreciating them for their lack of it. Apparently the west has an ever changing definition of what this beauty is, today it is posing in lingerie for the world to see her goods.
Polar opposites, both objectifying
one objectifies for her protection and dignity(islam)
while the other objectifies for her exposure and declining morality (west)

so we can easily throw this word "OBJECTIFY" around
and use it in a negative manner
but the negative application
that which hurts the women and society
is that which has been conducted and expected of women in the West

Our task is only to see the choices which stand before us
there is truth
and deviation from truth which has been accepted by the masses
make a decision
and apply the prinicples to our life

Hijab is most certainly a tenet of Islam 
An honor for those women who choose to identify themselves as BELIEVING & CHASTE WOMEN, read the Quran and you will see it clearly!

"A tree stands strong on a firm foundation
should its foundation be flimsy changing from day to day
based on the latest changes
it would collapse"

Men too have regulations as to what to wear and not! they are not allowed to wear anything below ther knee height such as shorts ectt... There is much more enforcement on the clothing type of women as opposed to men because they have more to cover than we do! ( men)

"The rules, regulations and verdicts concerning women in Islam are clear, frank and open. Islam capitalizes on the complete care that should be given to the protection of a woman against anything that may harm her personally, or cause ill-fame to her reputation or character."

By Sir Hamiltion; the well-known English thinker and doctor of philsophy!

[enwiabe]

Excuse me? Men can wear whatever lose-fitting and revealing clothes they choose in Islam. :-/ A woman's sexuality is not actually acknowledged in the Quran. It is not mandated against, only man's sexual desires are "legislated" for. Women, to whoever wrote the book of the Quran were merely trophy dolls for a man. That's why a man can marry multiple women, but a woman cannot marry multiple men. To orthodox Islam, women are merely possessions. It's pretty sad

I see that you cannot answer my question. Perhaps one day you will make the realisation of this absurd double-standard.

[Abdi]

yeah maybe in your religion not our's.... did you ever think of that?

[enwiabe]

yeah maybe in your religion not our's.... did you ever think of that?

I was talking about your religion...

Also re-read my post, I edited it a bit to include more

[Abdi]

I don't think you really know much about Islam if you've come to this conclusion! :| this is just really stupid.... plus you sound kinda pessimistic!

http://muslimguidance.com/islam-principles/equality-between-men-and-women-in-islam.html 
http://www.jannah.org/sisters/marr.html

This may be of some help to enlighten your rather uneducated mind!

[enwiabe]

I don't think you really know much about Islam if you've come to this conclusion! :| this is just really stupid.... plus you sound kinda pessimistic!

http://muslimguidance.com/islam-principles/equality-between-men-and-women-in-islam.html 
http://www.jannah.org/sisters/marr.html

This may be of some help to enlighten your rather uneducated mind!

Why can men have multiple wives, but women cannot have multiple husbands?

[Bohr]

Because you can't tell who the father is