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Re: Gillard vs Abbott - Who will you vote for? POLL
« Reply #120 on: August 04, 2010, 10:01:36 pm »
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I don't believe that baloney... thats the old government trick that if you spend enough money during recession you prevent it... australia would most likely be better off without that stimulus ... and the resource sector probably had a lot to do with it and we started with a budget surplus and other factors...

http://johnhumphreys.com.au/2010/01/19/why-the-stimulus-was-bad-policy/
http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2009/08/31/growth-and-fiscal-policy/
http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/11/11/stimulus/

and then theres all the articles i posted in 'economics' thread of how stimulus fails...

All I can say on this is that I don't have enough economic training to really comment. My first year Keynesian knowledge supports the stimulus, but I will be the first to acknowledge that a much deeper level of understanding would be required. The stimulus was applauded by many prominent economists, as well as the OCED. However the saying, 'you can put a dozen economists in a room and get thirteen different opinions' comes to mind...

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Re: Gillard vs Abbott - Who will you vote for? POLL
« Reply #121 on: August 04, 2010, 10:09:13 pm »
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i would like to hear about the good things the labor government has done

Kept the economy afloat while in the GFC.
The Apology to the stolen generations.
Recognition of same-sex unions
Withdrawal from Iraq
NBN - probably not that well handed, however badly needed
Dumping WorkChoices - not too sure on this one, I never really read into the differences between policies, however many regard it as the devil himself.
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Re: Gillard vs Abbott - Who will you vote for? POLL
« Reply #122 on: August 04, 2010, 10:09:22 pm »
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i would like to hear about the good things the labor government has done

Kept the economy afloat while in the GFC.
The Apology to the stolen generations.
Recognition of same-sex unions
Withdrawal from Iraq
NBN - probably not that well handed, however badly needed
Dumping WorkChoices - not too sure on this one, I never really read into the differences between policies, however many regard it as the devil himself.

yes the apology was good... a bit late ... but it was only just symbolism

australia should get out of the war even afghanistan but of course we are supporting america... and the whole war is a failure...

ndn is a disaster... and we probably won't feel that much of a difference in the city where we already have relatively fast internet... government run broadband yuck... and anyway i reckon when they put the filter in.. it will slow it down so the effect would be negletable..

dumping workchoices... hmm yes it was probably good in some way and bad in others... but fairwork is probably just as bad.. i haven't really looked into it... but we need to make it easier for businesses to set up shop here and to allow voluntary contracts between employers and employees
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Re: Gillard vs Abbott - Who will you vote for? POLL
« Reply #123 on: August 04, 2010, 10:11:06 pm »
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I don't believe that baloney... thats the old government trick that if you spend enough money during recession you prevent it... australia would most likely be better off without that stimulus ... and the resource sector probably had a lot to do with it and we started with a budget surplus and other factors...

http://johnhumphreys.com.au/2010/01/19/why-the-stimulus-was-bad-policy/
http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2009/08/31/growth-and-fiscal-policy/
http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/11/11/stimulus/

and then theres all the articles i posted in 'economics' thread of how stimulus fails...

All I can say on this is that I don't have enough economic training to really comment. My first year Keynesian knowledge supports the stimulus, but I will be the first to acknowledge that a much deeper level of understanding would be required. The stimulus was applauded by many prominent economists, as well as the OCED. However the saying, 'you can put a dozen economists in a room and get thirteen different opinions' comes to mind...

well all those economists are big government keynesian types... i more agree with the free market austrian types
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Re: Gillard vs Abbott - Who will you vote for? POLL
« Reply #124 on: August 04, 2010, 10:11:16 pm »
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and anyway i reckon when they put the filter in.. it will slow it down so the effect would be negletable..

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Re: Gillard vs Abbott - Who will you vote for? POLL
« Reply #125 on: August 04, 2010, 10:16:05 pm »
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thats the old government trick that if you spend enough money during recession you prevent it...

Well, we did, didn't we? We're the only developed country in the world which got through the GFC relatively unscathed.
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Re: Gillard vs Abbott - Who will you vote for? POLL
« Reply #126 on: August 04, 2010, 10:19:05 pm »
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yes we held up pretty ok but that doesn't mean it was because of the stimulus ... politicians just like to claim credit when they do something and everything is ok even though without it it might have been great

although at the rate we are spending i would be cautious to say we are out of the woods since if there is another shock via china or via some these inflationary boom that the government has created then we are now in a worse shape to absorb these shocks ... although the fed is somewhat offsetting it by raising interest rates (unlike america's fed who is clueless)

"It might again be worth pointing out that the Australian economy went into a mild recession, unemployment did go up and we now have debt to deal with where none had existed before. The Government inherited a robust economy from its predecessors, our banking system had a small proportion of toxic assets to work its way through and most importantly, the Chinese economy’s own stimulus created the momentum for growth here.

And given that our own stimulus soaked up the equivalent of four percent of GDP, all of which needs to be found again which means tremendous sacrifices for years to come, we shall see whether the panic reaction to the mildest of recessions will have made all that much sense in the larger scheme of things. And all we have to show for it are a series of poorly constructed and vastly overpriced school facilities and some insulation that is now an actual threat to many of the homes in which they were installed.

The notion that Government debt on forms of expenditure that cannot earn a return on funds expended is similar to business investments which are intended to pay their own way through added productivity shows a chasm between Keynesian thought and a more market approach. I might note that there is no other economy in the world where the economics profession would even contemplate putting such stuff before the public."
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Re: Gillard vs Abbott - Who will you vote for? POLL
« Reply #127 on: August 04, 2010, 10:22:26 pm »
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hey can someone tell me if the liberals have said outright that they will oppose the internet filter? because that would be a big sweet spot because if they haven't then i guess they will just go along with it and then blame it on labor when they could of ooposed it


and these are two quotes i like
“the government is great at breaking your leg, handing you a crutch, and saying ‘You see, without me you couldn’t walk.’"
"Government stimulus spending is like giving yourself a blood transfusion from your left arm to your right arm and losing half the blood in the process."
Peter Schiff
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Re: Gillard vs Abbott - Who will you vote for? POLL
« Reply #128 on: August 05, 2010, 01:23:21 am »
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VOTE BELOW THE LINE

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http://filter-conroy.org/ballots.html
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Re: Gillard vs Abbott - Who will you vote for? POLL
« Reply #129 on: August 05, 2010, 02:06:40 am »
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https://www.belowtheline.org.au/vic/

this is a great tool whoever wants to vote below the line for senate preferences... you get to see how it turns out if you vote above the line

VOTE BELOW THE LINE

FILTER CONROY BALLOT GUIDES ARE NOW UP

http://filter-conroy.org/ballots.html

wo thats a great site...better than the one i put... it orders the numbers for you! thanks for the link ninwa
please conroy come last! although if you put labor first they will find another senator to support it... i hope people vote for parties that oppose it
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Re: Gillard vs Abbott - Who will you vote for? POLL
« Reply #130 on: August 06, 2010, 11:00:12 pm »
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hey can someone tell me if the liberals have said outright that they will oppose the internet filter? because that would be a big sweet spot because if they haven't then i guess they will just go along with it and then blame it on labor when they could of opposed it


and these are two quotes i like
“the government is great at breaking your leg, handing you a crutch, and saying ‘You see, without me you couldn’t walk.’"
"Government stimulus spending is like giving yourself a blood transfusion from your left arm to your right arm and losing half the blood in the process."
Peter Schiff


i found the answer
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/coalition-to-dump-flawed-internet-filter-20100805-11kmv.html

very welcome news
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Re: Gillard vs Abbott - Who will you vote for? POLL
« Reply #131 on: August 08, 2010, 02:16:12 pm »
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Sooo, it's about time I filled in my postal vote... Still not sure who to vote for. I don't like labour in general but I do like my local labour mp..
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Re: Gillard vs Abbott - Who will you vote for? POLL
« Reply #132 on: August 08, 2010, 02:24:30 pm »
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tony abott made a really good speech :)
i would vote for him if i was old enough.

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Re: Gillard vs Abbott - Who will you vote for? POLL
« Reply #133 on: August 08, 2010, 02:46:38 pm »
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where? online?
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Re: Gillard vs Abbott - Who will you vote for? POLL
« Reply #134 on: August 08, 2010, 02:50:51 pm »
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no. on tv this morning. the launching coalition speech on channel nine and sbs