Homosexuality

[ninwa]

And without wishing to be too controversial (lol who am I kidding) some would say that allowing homosexuals to raise kids also screws them up for life...

Moreso than being raised by abusive heterosexual parents?

[Yitzi_K]

The question is, where can they draw the line on infringing human rights and say enough is enough. I have a feeling in the future a lot more of these things will become legal.

Now which other discussion on this board could that be relevant to?

some would say that allowing homosexuals to raise kids also screws them up for life...

And with "all due respect" (lol who am i kidding), those people are small minded idiots with no factual basis for that assertion whatsoever.

You are very susceptible to the fearmongering and brainwashing of your elders.

I never said that I believed that, and indeed I don't. I was just putting it out there for discussion.

[Yitzi_K]

And without wishing to be too controversial (lol who am I kidding) some would say that allowing homosexuals to raise kids also screws them up for life...

Moreso than being raised by abusive heterosexual parents?

No, which is why kids should be taken away from abusive parents, whatever the sexuality.

[ninwa]

No, which is why kids should be taken away from abusive parents, whatever the sexuality.

In that case, why make a generalist statement encompassing all homosexuals rather than "abusive homosexuals"? (in fact, why even mention their sexuality then? Abusive is abusive is abusive, regardless of whether you're gay, straight, bi, transgender, black, white, yellow etc.)

[lolbox]

some would say that allowing homosexuals to raise kids also screws them up for life...

Key phrase: "some would say"

[ninwa]

Ah, shall I assume Yitzi doesn't espouse such bigoted views then but is merely passing on the message from "some"?

[Yitzi_K]

No, which is why kids should be taken away from abusive parents, whatever the sexuality.

In that case, why make a generalist statement encompassing all homosexuals rather than "abusive homosexuals"? (in fact, why even mention their sexuality then? Abusive is abusive is abusive, regardless of whether you're gay, straight, bi, transgender, black, white, yellow etc.)

Because there are people (I am NOT one of them) who say that any child raised by homosexual parents is likely to be adversely affected. I was just comparing that claim to the idea that incest results in screwed up children.

[Bohr]

Incest screws up the kids' health.

[enwiabe]

The question is, where can they draw the line on infringing human rights and say enough is enough. I have a feeling in the future a lot more of these things will become legal.

Now which other discussion on this board could that be relevant to?

some would say that allowing homosexuals to raise kids also screws them up for life...

And with "all due respect" (lol who am i kidding), those people are small minded idiots with no factual basis for that assertion whatsoever.

You are very susceptible to the fearmongering and brainwashing of your elders.

I never said that I believed that, and indeed I don't. I was just putting it out there for discussion.

Hahahaha sure, buddy You've made your views very clear that you do not like homosexuality and do not even want it acknowledged in society.

You can hide behind "some would say", but you're not fooling anyone...

[lolbox]

Incest screws up the kids' health.

What if the incestuous couple choose not to have children

[Bohr]

Incest screws up the kids' health.

What if the incestuous couple choose not to have children

Great choice!

[Bohr]

I don't understand why enwiabe is defending homosexuals' rights yet disapproves of polygamist Muslims. Shouldn't we grant everyone their right in this case?

[enwiabe]

I don't understand why enwiabe is defending homosexuals' rights yet disapproves of polygamist Muslims. Shouldn't we grant everyone their right in this case?

Very 1D view, here. It's all about harm minimisation. Sure, you could get proper consenting polygamy, but that'd be the exception and not the rule. Too often, polygamy relies on an abuse of rights, mainly abusing women.

It is for similar reasons that it is illegal to carry knives in public. Sure, 95% of people would be responsible about it, but 5% wouldn't...

Now in this case, the proportions would be even worse. So in this case, it needs to be outlawed for proper harm minimisation.

[Bohr]

Would you say that polyandry is 'the abuse of men'?

Btw, doesn't that mean the government should search for and ban sex between more than 2 parties.

[lolbox]

Sure, you could get proper consenting polygamy, but that'd be the exception and not the rule. Too often, polygamy relies on an abuse of rights, mainly abusing women.

Do you have a "factual basis for that assertion"? That in muslim countries which allow polygamy - wifes in a relationship with a polygamist man are abused to a greater extent then the average wife of that same region, who is in a non-polygamist relationship?