yay America did something good

[matt123]

I'm all for gay couples adopting kids but here's a good question:

Say if there's a kid up for adoption and you had a choice between the straight couple and the gay couple. They have the same "resume" and everything.

Whick would you prefer?

straight couple.

look people .. im getting sick of this crap argument ...

im not AGAINST gay people.
HONESTLY . if they wanan touch dicks .. it dosnt bother me.

BUT
i find it sick.
god made a man and a woman.
a child needs a mother . its the effin fundementals ... get ur head straight people.
u cant just say .. 2 gays adopt a kid .. nd the kids gonna be happy.
when all the other children have a mother ... the little poof kid is gonna be left out .. feel cold inside.

i think purely its cruelty... 2 guys cannot show the same affection as a mother.

if guys wanna "love" eachother . and get married .. then so be it ... let them be .. i dont really care.

but to adopt a child ..... is cruelty.

dont be trolling
just my opinion

[Cianyx]

Two guys cannot show the same affection as a mother is a true statement. However, they can show the same level of affection. How would you know the kid would be left out? If you can rationally prove that to me, I'll concede that point

[matt123]

Two guys cannot show the same affection as a mother is a true statement. However, they can show the same level of affection. How would you know the kid would be left out? If you can rationally prove that to me, I'll concede that point

lol?
bro are u srs?
...
imagine this

its show and tell day ... every 1 brings in their parents .... everyone has a mum and a dad.
the kid with gay parents has 2 dads ..

he begins to question why he doesnt have a mother.
other kids begin to treat him like shit . laugh at him.
 he begins to question how he was brought up? .. how he was born maybe?

his understanding on life will be .... .. .. limitied? . idk the word.


kmon man .. how can u deny the obvious... a man and woman is how its meant to be ... or else god would have gave us the function to give birth as a man.

note : im not hardcore religous or anything btw ..
but i can tell you now .. that its not coincidence that men cant have babies ...
its for a reason.

and lets say
the gay population increases .. guess what happens to life on earth
it decreases.

i have nothing wrong with gays effin around with eachother
it just makes me sickened knowing 2 dads are gonna have a kid

if my dad was gay and i had another father
i could quite honestly say .. right now .. id be very ... mentally confused.
you dont have to have past experience to see the obvious.

i dont want to be rude to the gay community.
but they shouldnt be able to adopt.....quite frankly . its wrong....its cruel . in inhumane.

dont tell me im close minded
its the truth ... the kid would probably turn out to be messed up .... bullied . etc etc

[Mao]

matt123, logic. We require logical argument. That post contained a lot of "it's just wrong" and "c'mon man", but I can't get much logic out of it. Why exactly would two male parents be unable to provide a good enough level of care? Why do you say they cannot provide the right psychological up-bringing to account for the lack of a feminine presence? How exactly are they 'incapable'?

Also, on a side note, can I please ask you to post sentences with punctuations/paragraphs and limit contractions as a personal request? It's a bit painful to read, and it's much harder to take u srsly wen u tlk lyk dys.....
idk.....
but u no wot i mean bro

[Cianyx]

That is an extremely skewed way of viewing things. I don't make fun of my friend because he is black. He doesn't go home wondering why he runs so fast. He doesn't question his bringing up. Read my post on tabula rasa. Parents have skewed minds. Children don't. If anything, a child from a heterosexual couple would have a more limited view mainly for the reasons you brought up.

Also, don't give me natural or religious arguments. Animals are just as prone to homosexual behaviour. You don't see a decline in population because of it. Homosexuality has been prominent ever since Ancient Greek civilisation. They are still quite alive right now. Granted, man's purpose is not to conceive children but that does not mean they can't raise one.

I like short sentences.

[Duck]

All children deserve the opportunity to be raised by both a mother and father. In some instances (divorce, death of a parent) this is not possible but I do not believe allowing a young child who has no say in the matter to be raised in a limited household is fair. If a man can offer the same affection as a woman than why can't a single man adopt a child (and vice versa with a single woman)? If a man's ability to care for and love his child is equal to that of a woman then why do mothers win the large majority of custody cases? Where possible, every child deserves to be raised by a man and a woman.

[letsride]

I wouldn't mind having two of the same sex parents if one of them was Neil Patrick Harris

[matt123]

matt123, logic. We require logical argument. That post contained a lot of "it's just wrong" and "c'mon man", but I can't get much logic out of it. Why exactly would two male parents be unable to provide a good enough level of care? Why do you say they cannot provide the right psychological up-bringing to account for the lack of a feminine presence? How exactly are they 'incapable'?

Also, on a side note, can I please ask you to post sentences with punctuations/paragraphs and limit contractions as a personal request? It's a bit painful to read, and it's much harder to take u srsly wen u tlk lyk dys.....
idk.....
but u no wot i mean bro

ok mao.
I understand where you are coming from with the " logic " business.
however , like " Duck" said , every child deserves to be brought up by a mother.
its unfair to have 2 fathers and no mother. a man cannot show the same affection as a woman.
why do you think there is a man and a woman? ... quite obviously , the woman gives birth the the child = the woman is the MOTHER.
you just don't have 2 fathers , if that was meant to be the case , the father should be able to pop a child out of his ass whole. there's some logic for you... why don't we just have men who can have children?

I'm just being frank with you .. but its complete nonsense to believe that 2 fathers can take out the role of a mother and a father.

a child needs to have a point of perspective from both a woman and a man. it cannot just be loved from 2 men and be " fine" in the real world.
im sorry , but that's the truth.

man AND WOMAN was made to live , serve god , and continue the human race ( in my opinion)
If "gays" become accepted in our society to be able to adopt children.
im not saying the child will become gay ... however , i do believe that one is highly influenced by their parents. read up on "observational learning" if you havnt done psychology. it states that someone will look at another persons actions in-order to guide their own behavior.
A child brought up with gay parents , is more LIKELY to become gay himself as he/she believes that is " the right way".
now lets just say .... 200 years .. everyone is "gay".
you tell me mao ... how the hell is the human race going to continue on?

i guess i am okay with homosexuals living out their lives in our society .. but for them to have children is pretty much "promoting" the gays.
and like i mentioned earlier
it is so so so cruel to make a child grow up , deprived of their mother.

would you like it if you had 2 fathers? ..

just to add to that.
one of my friends has 2 mothers....
when we had conversation a long time ago about it. his views were that .. fathers were not necessary in our life. and to be quite honest , he is now "Gay" himself. he has had no masculine figure in his life .. he is as queer as it gets. he has a close mind , only sees the world for what it is not. he only has tantrums all the time. he is emotional .. and he still believes that men and woman shouldn't be together.

now im not saying there is anything wrong with him .. don't get me wrong . he is a really nice kid.

but for farrrkin sake ... its just sickening.

p.s Mao .. happy with the punctuation now?.

[starbuckscoffee]

matt123 if anyone's trolling it's you.

They'll always have a mother and father. You can't change that. It'd be like having three parents, except you'd be raise by two of them (or in an ideal situation all three).

And yes i did year 12 psych as well. That's kind of simplifying it a bit don't you think? How about biological and bio-social influences on behavior? You don't just turn gay. That's fucking ignorance at its best. Some have even suggested their to be anatomical differences between the hypothalamus of straight and gay males. Therefore, it shows there is somewhat of a genetic predisposition to homosexuality.

[matt123]

matt123 if anyone's trolling it's you.

They'll always have a mother and father. You can't change that. It'd be like having three parents, except you'd be raise by two of them (or in an ideal situation all three).

And yes i did year 12 psych as well. That's kind of simplifying it a bit don't you think? How about biological and bio-social influences on behavior? You don't just turn gay. That's fucking ignorance at its best. Some have even suggested their to be anatomical differences between the hypothalamus of straight and gay males. Therefore, it shows there is somewhat of a genetic predisposition to homosexuality.

what you say is quite correct.
but you cannot tell me that a child under the influence of gay parenting wont at the least " question why his parents are so".

i think some of you people really need to stop and think for a second.
god created man and woman .. not man and man .. not woman and woman.
clearly there is a reason for this.
go back and read what i said would happen in 200 years time.

i think its quite logical to conclude .. man and man shouldn't work out.
for a man cannot have a child.
if it was to " work out" .. then why cant a man give birth?

[Noblesse]

matt123 if anyone's trolling it's you.

They'll always have a mother and father. You can't change that. It'd be like having three parents, except you'd be raise by two of them (or in an ideal situation all three).

And yes i did year 12 psych as well. That's kind of simplifying it a bit don't you think? How about biological and bio-social influences on behavior? You don't just turn gay. That's fucking ignorance at its best. Some have even suggested their to be anatomical differences between the hypothalamus of straight and gay males. Therefore, it shows there is somewhat of a genetic predisposition to homosexuality.

what you say is quite correct.
but you cannot tell me that a child under the influence of gay parenting wont at the least " question why his parents are so".

i think some of you people really need to stop and think for a second.
god created man and woman .. not man and man .. not woman and woman.
clearly there is a reason for this.
go back and read what i said would happen in 200 years time.

i think its quite logical to conclude .. man and man shouldn't work out.
for a man cannot have a child.
if it was to " work out" .. then why cant a man give birth?

Please stop spurting such absolute nonsense. This has already been posted but it appears you have not read it.

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-06-07/health/lesbian.children.adjustment_1_psychological-adjustment-advocacy-groups-lesbian-households?_s=PM:HEALTH

The involvement of mothers may be a contributing factor, in addition to the fact that the pregnancies were planned, Gartrell said.

The children "didn't arrive by accident," she said. "The mothers were older... they were waiting for an opportunity to have children and age brings maturity and better parenting."

This would be the same with same sex male couples, especially with adoption being an incredibly arduous process.

[Russ]

Read my post on tabula rasa.

You know that tabula rasa isn't the entire story right? Environmental influences are by no means the sole factor in personality development.

then why cant a man give birth?

So you're okay with lesbian relationships then? Anyway, if you want to talk about your incredibly unrealistic future, where there are only gay couples left - I want to know how all the heterosexual couples disappeared. An increased incidence of homosexuality can't explain that past a pseudo-equilibrium point.

I can feel my brain cells dying after reading this thread

[matt123]

Read my post on tabula rasa.

You know that tabula rasa isn't the entire story right? Environmental influences are by no means the sole factor in personality development.

then why cant a man give birth?

So you're okay with lesbian relationships then? Anyway, if you want to talk about your incredibly unrealistic future, where there are only gay couples left - I want to know how all the heterosexual couples disappeared. An increased incidence of homosexuality can't explain that past a pseudo-equilibrium point.

I can feel my brain cells dying after reading this thread

LOL hahahaha

no .. ofcourse . i feel the same way about lesbian couples.

i mean honestly.... man wasnt created to give birth.
woman cannot give birth without man

why are we changing this? ..

look .. i do respect your views ... i do respect the views of homosexuals.
i do not respect that fact that a child is deprived of a mother or father.

its so evident .. why the hell was man and woman made?

[Noblesse]

Read my post on tabula rasa.

You know that tabula rasa isn't the entire story right? Environmental influences are by no means the sole factor in personality development.

then why cant a man give birth?

So you're okay with lesbian relationships then? Anyway, if you want to talk about your incredibly unrealistic future, where there are only gay couples left - I want to know how all the heterosexual couples disappeared. An increased incidence of homosexuality can't explain that past a pseudo-equilibrium point.

I can feel my brain cells dying after reading this thread

LOL hahahaha

no .. ofcourse . i feel the same way about lesbian couples.

i mean honestly.... man wasnt created to give birth.
woman cannot give birth without man

why are we changing this? ..

look .. i do respect your views ... i do respect the views of homosexuals.
i do not respect that fact that a child is deprived of a mother or father.

its so evident .. why the hell was man and woman made?

There is a difference between reproduction and the raising of a child. Any moron can reproduce.

[matt123]

your missing my point.

ok guys
you know what

i officially give up arguing with you.
unlike many of you . i have actually deeply thought about this issue and don't randomly bring out my ideas.
my opinion still stands that 2 men shouldn't raise a child.

but i guess , i respect your views and im not gonna keep trying to argue with you.

have a good night people.