yay America did something good

[Spreadbury]

freedom of speech, every person is entitled to their views and they don't have to provide evidence to why they feel that way.
I have my pro's and con's on gay marriage, however you sound like a single-minded extremist. <= entitled at @ spreadbury

it's idiotic to post in a controversial area and not expect your opinion to be attacked when you can't outplay and justify your views. do you think anyone would just get away with posting "religion sucks" in a religious argument and not be questioned about it? no.

and there's always a reason for an opinion, it's never just an "I don't want it".

i'm a single minded extremist? really? is asking someone for their opinion, and then questioning them further when they fail to provide an adequate response extreme?

there are really no cons for gay marriage. If they can put up with us being allowed to get married, i'm sure we can all put up with them getting married. But if you can give me ONE legitimate reason that justifies howgay marriage will negatively affect you, i'll shut up right now.

[hard]

freedom of speech, every person is entitled to their views and they don't have to provide evidence to why they feel that way.
I have my pro's and con's on gay marriage, however you sound like a single-minded extremist. <= entitled at @ spreadbury

it's idiotic to post in a controversial area and not expect your opinion to be attacked when you can't outplay and justify your views. do you think anyone would just get away with posting "religion sucks" in a religious argument and not be questioned about it? no.

and there's always a reason for an opinion, it's never just an "I don't want it".

i'm a single minded extremist? really? is asking someone for their opinion, and then questioning them further when they fail to provide an adequate response extreme?

there are really no cons for gay marriage. If they can put up with us being allowed to get married, i'm sure we can all put up with them getting married. But if you can give me ONE legitimate reason that justifies howgay marriage will negatively affect you, i'll shut up right now.

SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FAGGOT just cause someone has an opinon doesnt mean they need to explain it to someone online who thinks theyre so mighty seriously take a shit

[Spreadbury]

SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FAGGOT just cause someone has an opinon doesnt mean they need to explain it to someone online who thinks theyre so mighty seriously take a shit

But I kindly asked you to explain it... and then you just reiterate the exact same point. can I kindly ask you again to explain your opinion, or you could just stop posting because obviously you're not going to try/ can't justify your opinion- which gives credence to the idea that it's a purely irrational one.

I find you quite rude, is this how you act in every day life?

[hard]

SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FAGGOT just cause someone has an opinon doesnt mean they need to explain it to someone online who thinks theyre so mighty seriously take a shit

But I kindly asked you to explain it... and then you just reiterate the exact same point. can I kindly ask you again to explain your opinion, or you could just stop posting because obviously you're not going to try/ can't justify your opinion- which gives credence to the idea that it's a purely irrational one.

I find you quite rude, is this how you act in every day life?

only to small minded retards like yourself

[Spreadbury]

how am I small minded? Because I asked for your opinion. oh may you have mercy for me trying to gain an understanding of someone elses opinion.

I hope you get blocked, I will take no further part in your troll war.

[letsride]

freedom of speech, every person is entitled to their views and they don't have to provide evidence to why they feel that way.
I have my pro's and con's on gay marriage, however you sound like a single-minded extremist. <= entitled at @ spreadbury

i'm a single minded extremist? really?

there are really no cons for gay marriage.

thank you for proving my point.

[Spreadbury]

if you can give me ONE legitimate reason that justifies howgay marriage will negatively affect you, i'll shut up right now.

I set you a challenge. if you can give me a legitimate reason i'll accept your point of view and retract my statement about there being no cons for gay marriage. but explain to me a single con. what does marriage mean for straight people? that they love eachother? that they want to spend their lives together? they can take out loans from a bank more easily as a couple? how does any of this being available to gay couples drain society of its values?

[matt123]

to be completely honest on this topic.

i think its fair to say " one is entitled to his/her own opinion , regardless of another thinks or understands of it"

however . in saying this .. it would be good for HARD to justify his views.

at the same time.
i cannot see why he would have to ... if he dosnt like gay marriages . cool .. leave it at that ..

personally
whilst we are on this topic.
i do not believe gay marriages should be allowed .. simply for the fact that marriage implies a common agreement between MAN AND WOMAN ... look it up in the dictionary ...
in saying this , nevertheless .. if 2 guys or girls got married .. it wouldnt affect my life in anyway .. and so i couldnt care less

moral of the story
let people be
why try to ruin their happiness?
dont argue with anyone about their views ... it is THEIR views .... not yours.
but it would be good to get a understanding of why their views are so

[letsride]

Marriage has always been a sacred bond between a man and a women. History+religion go far back with marriage. Priests, religious people can get offended (big slap to religion, since marriage is so closely linked to religion)

saying that, I'm not opposed to gay marriage, frankly i don't care at all. I agree to a gay couple having the same benefits as a straight couple, i agree for fair rights for everybody, however i have always seen marriage to be between a male and female.

see my point?

[matt123]

Marriage has always been a sacred bond between a man and a women. History+religion go far back with marriage. Priests, religious people can get offended (big slap to religion, since marriage is so closely linked to religion)

saying that, I'm not opposed to gay marriage, frankly i don't care at all. I agree to a gay couple having the same benefits as a straight couple, i agree for fair rights for everybody, however i have always seen marriage to be between a male and female.

see my point?

pretty much agreed
well done

[enwiabe]

Marriage has always been a sacred bond between a man and a women. History+religion go far back with marriage. Priests, religious people can get offended (big slap to religion, since marriage is so closely linked to religion)

saying that, I'm not opposed to gay marriage, frankly i don't care at all. I agree to a gay couple having the same benefits as a straight couple, i agree for fair rights for everybody, however i have always seen marriage to be between a male and female.

see my point?

Marriage predates the judeo-christian religious ideology...  Religion also claims sexual practices as a part of its theology. I'm sure nearly every Priest is also offended that gay men are having sex and that gay women are having sex, but this has not stopped us from overturning bans on being homosexual. Do you see how your logic fails to hold up, here?

The difference is, bigots CHOOSE to take offense to matters which do not involve their lives. Religion viewed throughh the eyes of the law in any good democracy is ENTIRELY of the self and is a set of beliefs that apply to one's own self. Provided that there is no infringement of the rights of others, there is no room for "your beliefs offend me!" to be a valid excuse for denying rights to people. As being in a gay marriage does not tangibly affect the rights of others, there is no good reason not to allow it. Seriously. None.

[Spreadbury]

Marriage has always been a sacred bond between a man and a women. History+religion go far back with marriage. Priests, religious people can get offended (big slap to religion, since marriage is so closely linked to religion)

I disagree, and homosexuality has gone even further back than marriage. priests and religious people being offended shouldn't be the top priority, they've been enforcing their views upon the world for far too long, often with hideous results (the crusades, the dark ages) and gays have never done anything back to them. traditional religion is far too rigid- and really about marriage it was just whoever got in there to get married first. if a homosexual couple had been the first couple to marry this whole debate would probably be the exact opposite and it would be straight people campaigning for the right to get married.

EDIT: also, at matt123 yes, he's entitled to his own view, and he could've just left the topic when asked to justify his view, but no, he lashed out and started screaming at people. poor handling of the situation

[Spreadbury]

Religion also claims sex as a part of its theology

really? you can't be serious. sex predates religion by milennia.

EDIT: sorry for pointless reiterating, I just found it funny.  :2funny:

[enwiabe]

Religion also claims sex as a part of its theology

really? you can't be serious. sex predates religion by milennia.

Which is precisely my point

[letsride]

Marriage has always been a sacred bond between a man and a women. History+religion go far back with marriage. Priests, religious people can get offended (big slap to religion, since marriage is so closely linked to religion)

saying that, I'm not opposed to gay marriage, frankly i don't care at all. I agree to a gay couple having the same benefits as a straight couple, i agree for fair rights for everybody, however i have always seen marriage to be between a male and female.

see my point?

Marriage predates the judeo-christian religious ideology...  Religion also claims sexual practices as a part of its theology. I'm sure nearly every Priest is also offended that gay men are having sex and that gay women are having sex, but this has not stopped us from overturning bans on being homosexual. Do you see how your logic fails to hold up, here?

The difference is, bigots CHOOSE to take offense to matters which do not involve their lives. Religion viewed throughh the eyes of the law in any good democracy is ENTIRELY of the self and is a set of beliefs that apply to one's own self. Provided that there is no infringement of the rights of others, there is no room for "your beliefs offend me!" to be a valid excuse for denying rights to people. As being in a gay marriage does not tangibly affect the rights of others, there is no good reason not to allow it. Seriously. None.

you hold up a very good argument. Like i said, i don't care about it, any option would have no affect on me, i just like to see from both sides.
You couldn't ban homosexuality, religion disproves it however it is powerless to do anything about it (nowadays). What religion does have power to is marriage. They can choose not to marry a gay couple.
Take out the priest, the holy vowels, the "church" wedding, what do you have? certainly not marriage.