Marriage has always been a sacred bond between a man and a women. History+religion go far back with marriage. Priests, religious people can get offended (big slap to religion, since marriage is so closely linked to religion)
saying that, I'm not opposed to gay marriage, frankly i don't care at all. I agree to a gay couple having the same benefits as a straight couple, i agree for fair rights for everybody, however i have always seen marriage to be between a male and female.
see my point?
Marriage predates the judeo-christian religious ideology... Religion also claims sexual practices as a part of its theology. I'm sure nearly every Priest is also offended that gay men are having sex and that gay women are having sex, but this has not stopped us from overturning bans on being homosexual. Do you see how your logic fails to hold up, here?
The difference is, bigots CHOOSE to take offense to matters which do not involve their lives. Religion viewed throughh the eyes of the law in any good democracy is ENTIRELY of the self and is a set of beliefs that apply to one's own self. Provided that there is no infringement of the rights of others, there is no room for "your beliefs offend me!" to be a valid excuse for denying rights to people. As being in a gay marriage does not tangibly affect the rights of others, there is no good reason not to allow it. Seriously. None.
you hold up a very good argument. Like i said, i don't care about it, any option would have no affect on me, i just like to see from both sides.
You couldn't ban homosexuality, religion disproves it however it is powerless to do anything about it (nowadays). What religion does have power to is marriage. They can choose not to marry a gay couple.
Take out the priest, the holy vowels, the "church" wedding, what do you have? certainly not marriage.
So are you saying that priests and churches are what makes a marriage? That must really suck for Jews and Muslims etc.
In fact the power that a priest holds these days in a Western democracy is determined by the government. Marriage is a LEGAL status now. In separating church and state, whilst marriage can be a religious CEREMONY the status of marriage itself is a legal one.
So the only thing that can be religious about marriage is, really, the ceremony and the symbolism. But as shown, the symbolism and the religiousness differs from couple to couple. So what is universal to marriage? The union of two people who (generally
) love each other. Why can't we extend that to gay people? Who said it had to be a Christian marriage ceremony or any other religious ceremony for that matter?
It's not about the ceremony, it's about validating homosexual relationships as being legally exactly the same as a heterosexual one. And that includes holding the same status. Marriage doesn't belong to any one religion, it doesn't belong TO religion. Marriage has, in our society, come to mean the official confirmation of two people entering a life partnership because they (i say again, generally
) love each other. Not one individual religion owns this. What they have is their own interpretations of a universal idea that is intrinsic to our society. If you identify with a certain set of religious interpretations and beliefs then more power to you! But that makes your marriage no more valid than a Muslim's does it? And their views are a bit different as well. So then please now explain to me why a homosexual marriage is any less valid than an Islamic marriage which contravenes your religion's tenets? Or a marriage between two non-religious people who don't even have a religious ceremony? Surely that would also invalidate the marriage from the eyes of religion. And yet these are allowed to be marriages! So how are they any less invalid than a homosexual marriage which simply contravenes a different section of your beliefs?
The fact that every religion differs points to the fact that NO RELIGION owns marriage and therefore religion in general cannot own marriage. And therefore, with every individual religious marriage ceremony contravening the tenets of each and every other religion - HOW CAN RELIGION POSSIBLY OWN MARRIAGE?!?! It is simply an interpretation. That is what they own! Christianity owns CHRISTIAN marriage, Judaism owns JEWISH marriage, etc. And as the interpretation of homosexual marriage DOES NOT TANGIBLY AFFECT other people negatively, there is therefore no reason why it should not be allowed. And to deny homosexual people this is to deny them a basic right.
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