free laptops for muslim students [offtopic]

[Yitzi_K]

seriously, merits to the inhumane blockade?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/apr/16/israel

Israel's policy was summed up by Dov Weisglass, an adviser to Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, earlier this year. 'The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger,' he said. The hunger pangs are supposed to encourage the Palestinians to force Hamas to change its attitude towards Israel or force Hamas out of government.

wow thats very very low...

Why exactly? Do you not agree that those who would vote to be led by a genocidal terror group deserve to be punished?

All reasons aside, everything aside. "'The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger." I cannot believe anyone could say that and be supported so strongly. Utterly disgusting and inhumane. My heart goes out to all those being oppressed in Palestine and the rest of the world. Everyone should know terrorism isn't just by "Islamic" terrorists, there are such things as "Christian" terrorists, "Jewish" terrorists and other " insert " terrorists. It's just not publicised as much in the media for obvious reasons. All acts of terror should be halted. nuff said

Name ONE incident, in the last 10 years, in which a Christian or Jew has killed someone out of purely religious motivation.

[Lukman]

Hey yo yitzi, do you account the flotilla attacks as an act of terror? just asking ..

[TrueLight]

this thread is going to turn into something like this thread  and many other israel/hamas/palestine/terrorism thread out there

http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,26170.0.html
from the thread above
'this child got it spot on 0:34-0:44
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySJaH7OXzOA'

[Abdi]

seriously, merits to the inhumane blockade?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/apr/16/israel

Israel's policy was summed up by Dov Weisglass, an adviser to Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, earlier this year. 'The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger,' he said. The hunger pangs are supposed to encourage the Palestinians to force Hamas to change its attitude towards Israel or force Hamas out of government.

wow thats very very low...

Why exactly? Do you not agree that those who would vote to be led by a genocidal terror group deserve to be punished?

All reasons aside, everything aside. "'The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger." I cannot believe anyone could say that and be supported so strongly. Utterly disgusting and inhumane. My heart goes out to all those being oppressed in Palestine and the rest of the world. Everyone should know terrorism isn't just by "Islamic" terrorists, there are such things as "Christian" terrorists, "Jewish" terrorists and other " insert " terrorists. It's just not publicised as much in the media for obvious reasons. All acts of terror should be halted. nuff said

Name ONE incident, in the last 10 years, in which a Christian or Jew has killed someone out of purely religious motivation.

MATE, I thought this topic wasn't at ALL about religious indifference? well according to you and Chavi it wasn't, yet now you go on to saying "Name ONE incident, in the last 10 years, in which a Christian or Jew has killed someone out of purely religious motivation."

[superflya]

seriously, merits to the inhumane blockade?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/apr/16/israel

Israel's policy was summed up by Dov Weisglass, an adviser to Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, earlier this year. 'The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger,' he said. The hunger pangs are supposed to encourage the Palestinians to force Hamas to change its attitude towards Israel or force Hamas out of government.

wow thats very very low...

Why exactly? Do you not agree that those who would vote to be led by a genocidal terror group deserve to be punished?

All reasons aside, everything aside. "'The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger." I cannot believe anyone could say that and be supported so strongly. Utterly disgusting and inhumane. My heart goes out to all those being oppressed in Palestine and the rest of the world. Everyone should know terrorism isn't just by "Islamic" terrorists, there are such things as "Christian" terrorists, "Jewish" terrorists and other " insert " terrorists. It's just not publicised as much in the media for obvious reasons. All acts of terror should be halted. nuff said

Name ONE incident, in the last 10 years, in which a Christian or Jew has killed someone out of purely religious motivation.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chu_viol8.htm

http://www.religioustolerance.org/tomek34d.htm

Judaism:
Jewish terrorist actions are performed on a much smaller scale, and are limited to the Near East. (The Jews comprise only 0.2% of the world population.) However, the sentiment behind those actions appears to be similar to the sentiment governing the Islamist attacks:

Karen Armstrong notes that in 1980 Rabbi Israel Hess published an article entitled "Genocide: A Commandment of the Torah" in the official magazine of the Bar-Ilan University. In it he argued that:

"the Palestinians were to the Jews what darkness was to light, and that they deserved the same fate as the Amalekites". 3

And just what fate is that? According to 1 Samuel 15:3 the Hebrews were told:

"Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."

Among the best known cases of Jewish terrorism is the 1994 machine-gunning of Moslem worshippers at a mosque in the town of Hebron. A single terrorist killed 29 people and wounded about 150 before being killed himself. The killer, Baruch Goldstein, was an American medical doctor and a devoted follower of Rabbi Meier Kahane. He became a hero to the extremists, and the marble plaque on his grave reads: "To the holy Baruch Goldstein, who gave his life for the Jewish people, the Torah, and the Nation of Israel".

Among the cases involving less loss of life are:

 -Unsuccessful attempts to destroy the Dome of the Rock and the al-Aksqa Mosque in Jerusalem, combined with the killing of Muslim worshipers at the site,  
 -The killing of three and wounding of 33 students during a noon-time assault of Israeli terrorists on an Islamic college in Hebron in 1985. In the latter case, the terrorists had rabbinic dispensation.  
 -The killing of the Israel’s Prime Minister Yitzak Rabin by a Jewish religious fanatic Yigal Amir was motivated by the Israeli-Palestinian accords. Extremist rabbis had reportedly ruled that the Prime Minister deserved to die because of his role in these accords.

as u requested

EDIT: crap, forgot that u asked for just the ONE example.

[Lukman]

It was quite clear I said  

" Everyone should know terrorism isn't just by "Islamic" terrorists, there are such things as "Christian" terrorists, "Jewish" terrorists and other " insert " terrorists.

You have presumed wrongly, as I have meant that acts of terror are carried out by humans regardless of the religion. My intent was to show that the use of the word "terrorists" should not automatically cause people to think a Muslim is involved.

[Yitzi_K]

Good try superflya, but I asked for one example in the last 10 years. You're on zero so far.

[Lukman]

Just to put it out there - I do not have anything against jews or christians or muslims alike. I have many friends of every race/religion and what not and i love them to bits. We are all human, but only through our actions can we be judged.

[TrueLight]

you think they are not significant? >.<

im sure there was a thread where i discussed what the rise of terrorism was driven by ...

it was in this thread
http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,28867.0.html

[superflya]

Good try superflya, but I asked for one example in the last 10 years. You're on zero so far.

haha, you're incredible.

so yitzi,
the following is just yea...
The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! This will not apply to the Gharqad, which is a Jewish tree (cited by Bukhari and Muslim).

Article Eight: The Slogan of the Hamas Allah is its goal, the Prophet its model, the Qur’an its Constitution, Jihad its path and death for the case of Allah its most sublime belief.

however this is completely justified right??

Karen Armstrong notes that in 1980 Rabbi Israel Hess published an article entitled "Genocide: A Commandment of the Torah" in the official magazine of the Bar-Ilan University. In it he argued that:

"the Palestinians were to the Jews what darkness was to light, and that they deserved the same fate as the Amalekites". 3

And just what fate is that? According to 1 Samuel 15:3 the Hebrews were told:

"Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."

oh and are you sure Dr Tiller wasnt murdered last year?    http://www.kansas.com/2009/06/01/834444/suspect-in-shooting-death-of-abortion.html

[Blakhitman]

How the hell can the blockade be justified?

My heart goes out to all the Palestinians. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXGl12wbU-o

[ninwa]

I'm confused.

If you are so adamant that Hamas is not a terrorist organisation, then why are you reacting so negatively to the suggestion that HAI is linked to Hamas? Why get so uppity and call people ignorant/bitch/stupid etc. if they are merely suggesting that HAI is linked to a supposedly innocent group?

In fact, why not just prove that Hamas is not a terrorist group - that would have been the best defence to these accusations.

But no, you continue to post nothing more than empty denials, immature insults, and feeble attempts to stifle debate.

Lukman, in case you haven't noticed, I moved this debate to "General Discussion". Which is for... wait for it... GENERAL DISCUSSIONS. Is that alright with you or would you like VN to implement some sort of censorship policy in regards to sensitive topics? Perhaps you would like to work for the government on their internet policy.

The only childish, insulting, and sometimes even ban-worthy (see the "oh you must be a Jew" post), comments have been from the people in support of HAI.

EDIT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VXXqlWD3LI

LOL....!! a must see

why make a new account and then quote yourself on that account? =\

[Russ]

In fact, why not just prove that Hamas is not a terrorist group - that would have been the best defence to these accusations.

I found the defence employed to be quite novel - "our arguments are wrong but our conclusion is still the correct one"

Fallacious arguments can arrive at true conclusions!

I mean...seriously?

[Souljette_93]

I believe if a Jewish community was to do something like this, the responses would be very different. Positive, if not more.

1) Please don't turn this into a Jewish vs. Muslim debate.
2) Are you friggin kidding me? Were you living underground when the outrage around the flotilla attack happened?!

You demand "solid" proof yet none of you have provided anything beyond childish ad hominem attacks and empty denials. Are you actually aware of what a hypocrite you're being?

Just saw your message.

1)I wasn't trying too nor do i want to. I was only trying to make a point.
2)Do you even know what i was referring too? i meant, if the jewish community was to give out laptops Then the responses would be different. Dont know where Flotilla came from.

So let's end it there with the Jewish-Muslim thing.
So i am not aware of how i'm being a 'hypocrite'. I never said i am going to prove that Hamas is not a terrorist group or whatever and that i only demand others to go provide 'proof'. And if you have read my other posts you would know that i was pretty reluctant too, i didn't want to turn this a "Israel-Palestine-Hamas' debate. I am only challenging the authenticity of these claims.

Hence maybe that's why i haven't shown anything yet. I don't know how you can use the word 'hypocrite' so easily.

If HAI is so linked with Hamas, Why don't we know of this? Why isn't any of the Muslim community aware?  Why isn't there any aid explicitly for Hamas people?

What i call is solid proof ( this is not the only way ) is that if you can get any of the HAI Bored members to claim so.If HAI believes that supporting them is the right thing then they wouldn't need to hide it. I don't want some websites that only say it's a "suspect"

How the hell can the blockade be justified?

My heart goes out to all the Palestinians. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXGl12wbU-o

me too

TC
Souljette

[Yitzi_K]

How the hell can the blockade be justified?

My heart goes out to all the Palestinians. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXGl12wbU-o

I'm sure I've already explained this, very clearly. Were it not for the blockade, Hamas would be able to bombard the one million people living in Israel's south with advanced Syrian and Iranian made missiles, causing widespread death and destruction in civilian communities. The purpose of the blockade is to prevent such weapons from getting in.

Now are you telling me that you think Hamas should be able to fire rockets at civilian communities in Israel, or do you think appropriate action should be taken to prevent this from happening?