free laptops for muslim students [offtopic]

[Cianyx]

It is a stupid idea to give laptops to high achieving year 12 muslims anyway. They aren't being oppressed

[Chavi]

It is a stupid idea to give laptops to high achieving year 12 muslims anyway. They aren't being oppressed

The issue isn't about giving away laptops to high achieving Muslims. The issue is, and always has been, that the organization that funds these laptops also bankrolls global terrorism.

[Abdi]

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chu_viol8.htm

http://www.religioustolerance.org/tomek34d.htm

Judaism:
Jewish terrorist actions are performed on a much smaller scale, and are limited to the Near East. (The Jews comprise only 0.2% of the world population.) However, the sentiment behind those actions appears to be similar to the sentiment governing the Islamist attacks:

Karen Armstrong notes that in 1980 Rabbi Israel Hess published an article entitled "Genocide: A Commandment of the Torah" in the official magazine of the Bar-Ilan University. In it he argued that:

"the Palestinians were to the Jews what darkness was to light, and that they deserved the same fate as the Amalekites". 3

And just what fate is that? According to 1 Samuel 15:3 the Hebrews were told:

"Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."

Among the best known cases of Jewish terrorism is the 1994 machine-gunning of Moslem worshippers at a mosque in the town of Hebron. A single terrorist killed 29 people and wounded about 150 before being killed himself. The killer, Baruch Goldstein, was an American medical doctor and a devoted follower of Rabbi Meier Kahane. He became a hero to the extremists, and the marble plaque on his grave reads: "To the holy Baruch Goldstein, who gave his life for the Jewish people, the Torah, and the Nation of Israel".

Among the cases involving less loss of life are:

 -Unsuccessful attempts to destroy the Dome of the Rock and the al-Aksqa Mosque in Jerusalem, combined with the killing of Muslim worshipers at the site,  
 -The killing of three and wounding of 33 students during a noon-time assault of Israeli terrorists on an Islamic college in Hebron in 1985. In the latter case, the terrorists had rabbinic dispensation.  
 -The killing of the Israel’s Prime Minister Yitzak Rabin by a Jewish religious fanatic Yigal Amir was motivated by the Israeli-Palestinian accords. Extremist rabbis had reportedly ruled that the Prime Minister deserved to die because of his role in these accords.

as u requested

EDIT: crap, forgot that u asked for just the ONE example.

Suprflya, do you know what the major differences are between some isolated terror acts perpetrated by members of other faiths and Muslim terror?
1) non-Muslim terror is almost always universally condemned by muslims/non-mulsims alike - compare this to Muslim terror, which is almost never condemned by the Muslim world - even when the victims are Muslims.
2) the sheer frequency and fatalities of Islamist terror, far, far, outweighs terrorism committed on religious grounds from all other religions put together.
3) No other religion utilizes ancient texts to justify contemporary religious violence - other than Islam.

No other religion utilizes ancient texts to justify contemporary religious violence - other than Islam? don't you think that's cause its set as opposed to the changing of your books per year- "revised edition of the bible" and so on.....

Islamic text do not need to be changed bacause they fit into any situation at any time- which explians why it doesn't change!

and secondly I thought you said let's not change the subject- why are you still speaking of religious indifference? wasn't this thread just about laptops?

[Cianyx]

It is a stupid idea to give laptops to high achieving year 12 muslims anyway. They aren't being oppressed

The issue about giving away laptops to high achieving Muslims. The issue is, and always has been, that the organization that funds this laptops also bankrolls global terrorism.

Goddamit! I can't get rid of the Allahu Ackbar screensaver to replace it with T-Pain's 'Buy You A Drank'.

[Abdi]

who are you to unwelcome me or anyone for that matter into this country? you're starting to sound like you own Australia, which clearly you don't! -.-'

No, I don't own Australia. Australia is held together by an idea: The idea that everyone should be entitled to freedom of speech, freedom from persecution and tolerance.

Some people just want to see the world burn. Some people want to see freedom confined to the history books. Some people want to see Australia converted into an 8th century Wahhabistan. Now asks yourself - as a person who subscribes to these views - do you belong in our country?

why would you assume I subscribe to wahhabisim? and yes I belong in this country as I am entitled to the right to propagate my religion just like HIA by way of showing appreciation to its muslim youth by rewarding them after having achieved success!

You wouldn't have said all this if your religious  community was giving out free stuff too okay, go and ask your jewish religious leaders to innovate and come up with something to reward those that do good!

[Russ]

What i call is solid proof ( this is not the only way ) is that if you can get any of the HAI Bored members to claim so.If HAI believes that supporting them is the right thing then they wouldn't need to hide it. I don't want some websites that only say it's a "suspect"

Yeah I do. I understand what you mean, but i still can't get my head around that tiny office in Sydney road can have links to big political groups outside.

You wouldn't have said all this if your religious  community was giving out free stuff too okay, go and ask your jewish religious leaders to innovate and come up with something to reward those that do good!

Christ, at this point I'm just going to agree with Chavi and say that I don't want anyone who posts this sort of stuff to ever have a major role in Australian society

On a topic that may actually get an intelligent response:

I'm sure I've already explained this, very clearly. Were it not for the blockade, Hamas would be able to bombard the one million people living in Israel's south with advanced Syrian and Iranian made missiles, causing widespread death and destruction in civilian communities. The purpose of the blockade is to prevent such weapons from getting in.

Without condoning the terrorism of HAMAS etc., Israel isn't exactly innocent. There are plenty of reasons why a blockade is going to solve nothing and to be honest, I think that the only way to resolve the Palestine/Israel situation is for both states to start being realistic about what they can expect to get out. Neither of them are giving up a claim to the land, they really do need to start compromising and being more reasonable if they want to solve something.

[letsride]

What i call is solid proof ( this is not the only way ) is that if you can get any of the HAI Bored members to claim so.If HAI believes that supporting them is the right thing then they wouldn't need to hide it. I don't want some websites that only say it's a "suspect"

Yeah I do. I understand what you mean, but i still can't get my head around that tiny office in Sydney road can have links to big political groups outside.

You wouldn't have said all this if your religious  community was giving out free stuff too okay, go and ask your jewish religious leaders to innovate and come up with something to reward those that do good!

Christ, at this point I'm just going to agree with Chavi and say that I don't want anyone who posts this sort of stuff to ever have a major role in Australian society

On a topic that may actually get an intelligent response:

I'm sure I've already explained this, very clearly. Were it not for the blockade, Hamas would be able to bombard the one million people living in Israel's south with advanced Syrian and Iranian made missiles, causing widespread death and destruction in civilian communities. The purpose of the blockade is to prevent such weapons from getting in.

Without condoning the terrorism of HAMAS etc., Israel isn't exactly innocent. There are plenty of reasons why a blockade is going to solve nothing and to be honest, I think that the only way to resolve the Palestine/Israel situation is for both states to start being realistic about what they can expect to get out. Neither of them are giving up a claim to the land, they really do need to start compromising and being more reasonable if they want to solve something.

+1

[Chavi]

You wouldn't have said all this if your religious  community was giving out free stuff too okay, go and ask your jewish religious leaders to innovate and come up with something to reward those that do good!

You have got to be one of the slimiest human beings that I've ever met. You support Hamas. You defend HAI. You accuse Jews of controlling the government. You constantly change topic to deflect your arguments. You refuse to back your claims with evidence.

Provide me with evidence that other Australian NGOs support terror, and then we'll have a starting point. Until then, I must ask, why are you skirting the issue? Why do you refuse to address the allegations when the evidence is blatantly staring you in the face? If you accept these blood laptops you are condoning the organization that provides those laptops. This is the conclusion any sane person would derive from the evidence that has been presented.

[fady_22]

You wouldn't have said all this if your religious  community was giving out free stuff too okay, go and ask your jewish religious leaders to innovate and come up with something to reward those that do good!

I somewhat agree with this.
It seems evident that Chavi did some research after sighting this post, just to create this debate.
I don't think that Chavi would have known that HAI had (alleged) links to Hamas prior to this.

Then again, you have been very ignorant. Please educate yourself on the facts, or stop hiding from them.
In the western sense, Hamas is a terrorist organisation, and no support should be given to those affiliated with such organisations, no matter what the circumstance.
All you are doing is perpetuating a (false) stereotype that all Muslims condone terrorism.

[Abdi]

You wouldn't have said all this if your religious  community was giving out free stuff too okay, go and ask your jewish religious leaders to innovate and come up with something to reward those that do good!

You have got to be one of the slimiest human beings that I've ever met. You support Hamas. You defend HAI. You accuse Jews of controlling the government. You constantly change topic to deflect your arguments. You refuse to back your claims with evidence.

Provide me with evidence that other Australian NGOs support terror, and then we'll have a starting point. Until then, I must ask, why are you skirting the issue? Why do you refuse to address the allegations when the evidence is blatantly staring you in the face? If you accept these blood laptops you are condoning the organization that provides those laptops. This is the conclusion any sane person would derive from the evidence that has been presented.

my acceptance of 'any' gift does not and will not concern you in the slightest way whatsoever...

"You have got to be one of the slimiest human beings that I've ever met." says the guy who claims he owns Australia, mate its a multicultural country whereby everyone's religion, freedom and rights are obligated, and that is something you can't 'attempt' to immobilise, regardless how much of a rant you create on a site!

[Abdi]

first and foremost, let me get this clear......

I never said I support terrorism of any sort, you only assume that I do! Secondly,  I subscribing to Jihadist/wahhabi idealogies? WTF are you insane? all you're doing is making yourself look good by deriving at such stupid assumptions, and furthermore getting info that really doesn't correlate to the thruth!

You have very limited knowledge in history from your replies, you're too dependant on web-based research that you think is true,  which rather hinder your arguments that are flawed and contradictive!

Thirdly, relax on the streotypes, and allow me to pose this question? Do you think HIA is a terrorist organisation? becuase they throw missiles and what not at Isreal? have you ever thought of what they do in retalliation? throw millions more?

[Chavi]

who are you to unwelcome me or anyone for that matter into this country? you're starting to sound like you own Australia, which clearly you don't! -.-'

No, I don't own Australia. Australia is held together by an idea: The idea that everyone should be entitled to freedom of speech, freedom from persecution and tolerance.

Some people just want to see the world burn. Some people want to see freedom confined to the history books. Some people want to see Australia converted into an 8th century Wahhabistan. Now asks yourself - as a person who subscribes to these views - do you belong in our country?

my acceptance of 'any' gift does not and will not concern you in the slightest way whatsoever...

"You have got to be one of the slimiest human beings that I've ever met." says the guy who claims he owns Australia, mate its a multicultural country whereby everyone's religion, freedom and rights are obligated, and that is something you can't 'attempt' to immobilise, regardless how much of a rant you create on a site!

stupidity

You wouldn't have said all this if your religious  community was giving out free stuff too okay, go and ask your jewish religious leaders to innovate and come up with something to reward those that do good!

I somewhat agree with this.
It seems evident that Chavi did some research after sighting this post, just to create this debate.
I don't think that Chavi would have known that HAI had (alleged) links to Hamas prior to this.

Then again, you have been very ignorant. Please educate yourself on the facts, or stop hiding from them.
In the western sense, Hamas is a terrorist organisation, and no support should be given to those affiliated with such organisations, no matter what the circumstance.
All you are doing is perpetuating a (false) stereotype that all Muslims condone terrorism.

I don't think this topic required 13 pages of insults, racist antisemitic stereotypes, or a debate on middle-east politics. It just required members to provide objective support for their claims, or to renounce and condemn HAI - by refusing to accept the laptops.

[Spreadbury]

The idea that everyone should be entitled to freedom of speech, freedom from persecution and tolerance.

just to point out; Australian's don't have freedom of speech per se

[Abdi]

who are you to unwelcome me or anyone for that matter into this country? you're starting to sound like you own Australia, which clearly you don't! -.-'

No, I don't own Australia. Australia is held together by an idea: The idea that everyone should be entitled to freedom of speech, freedom from persecution and tolerance.

Some people just want to see the world burn. Some people want to see freedom confined to the history books. Some people want to see Australia converted into an 8th century Wahhabistan. Now asks yourself - as a person who subscribes to these views - do you belong in our country?

my acceptance of 'any' gift does not and will not concern you in the slightest way whatsoever...

"You have got to be one of the slimiest human beings that I've ever met." says the guy who claims he owns Australia, mate its a multicultural country whereby everyone's religion, freedom and rights are obligated, and that is something you can't 'attempt' to immobilise, regardless how much of a rant you create on a site!

stupidity

You wouldn't have said all this if your religious  community was giving out free stuff too okay, go and ask your jewish religious leaders to innovate and come up with something to reward those that do good!

I somewhat agree with this.
It seems evident that Chavi did some research after sighting this post, just to create this debate.
I don't think that Chavi would have known that HAI had (alleged) links to Hamas prior to this.

Then again, you have been very ignorant. Please educate yourself on the facts, or stop hiding from them.
In the western sense, Hamas is a terrorist organisation, and no support should be given to those affiliated with such organisations, no matter what the circumstance.
All you are doing is perpetuating a (false) stereotype that all Muslims condone terrorism.

I don't think this topic required 13 pages of insults, racist antisemitic stereotypes, or a debate on middle-east politics. It just required members to provide objective support for their claims, or to renounce and condemn HAI - by refusing to accept the laptops.

you're not even getting the Laptop, why are you carrying on like a moron?

[Chavi]

The idea that everyone should be entitled to freedom of speech, freedom from persecution and tolerance.

just to point out; Australian's don't have freedom of speech per se

I'm free to stand in front of Parliament house and publicly denounce government policies without any fear of retaliation or retribution. I can write in to any newspaper, or create my own - without government censorship. I can run for office, or post a billboard in front of my house airing my political views. How is that not freedom of speech?

Compare this to Gaza where dissidents are murdered by Hamas for airing opposing views, or Iran (and the rest of the Muslim world) where writing against the government or in support of Israel will land you in Jail or worse!