free laptops for muslim students [offtopic]

[Duck]

On another note, seeing Abdi refuses to listen to logic, what is everyone's opinions on the free laptops offer (disregarding it being run by HIA.) I'm concerned that it adds to segregation. Surely the way forward is to treat everyone equally and to avoid conditional charity?

[Cianyx]

The idea that everyone should be entitled to freedom of speech, freedom from persecution and tolerance.

just to point out; Australian's don't have freedom of speech per se

Ooh. Look at me, I do legal studies. Bitches don't know about my common law

On another note, seeing Abdi refuses to listen to logic, what is everyone's opinions on the free laptops offer (disregarding it being run by HIA.) I'm concerned that it adds to segregation. Surely the way forward is to treat everyone equally and to avoid conditional charity?

Segregation is a bit much. I highly doubt anyone is that much of an idiot to care what some Muslim kids who got good marks got rewarded with. It reminded me of a time when a army dude handed out laptops to some other dudes at my school for being good army dudes. I 'laughed out loud' and went to sleep. Mind you, with my give-a-fuck ometer still somewhere in the red

[Spreadbury]

The idea that everyone should be entitled to freedom of speech, freedom from persecution and tolerance.

just to point out; Australian's don't have freedom of speech per se

Ooh. Look at me, I do legal studies. Bitches don't know about my common law

haha... I suppose

I don't understand why they're giving out the laptop, does it help them in their studies?

[Russ]

Doesn't help them in VCE, I guess it's an incentive to do well. It'd help for tertiary education.

But I don't really think that having them awarded is divisive or based on segregation. A large amount of Australian muslims are recent immigrants (I work with a lot of them) and their education level is invariably lower than an nth generation Australian of the same age. So the idea is good imo

[Abdi]

the act of encouraging education by rewarding students is a good act in its own right.
if a murderer gave a lot of money in charity does it nullify his charity? I think the charity itself is fine, the same regardless of who gives it.

[Russ]

If you're trying to set up some sort of straw man, I'll point out that the murderer's donations to charity aren't conceivably going to aid future murders.

But otherwise yes, the charity itself is perfectly respectable.

[ninwa]

the act of encouraging education by rewarding students is a good act in its own right.
if a murderer gave a lot of money in charity does it nullify his charity? I think the charity itself is fine, the same regardless of who gives it.

But he's still a murderer and would still get convicted in a court for murder (are you comparing HAI to a murderer now?)

[Chavi]

As a Muslim, do you really believe i will turn against people of my faith who are trying to bring justice to their people, to a nation that fights against us/(my faith)?

So you admit that you blindly support Islamic terror, because you wish to remain "loyal" to you people? Or are the reasons based on fear - if you universally condemn terror (including that of Hamas) your family will have you stoned to death? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-507020/Teenager-honour-killing-girl-dramatic-plea-help-died.html

It's funny how you criticize Jews - and yet there is so much healthy internal debate within the Jewish community on issues such as religion, Zionism, education.
But surely, if you condemn HAI, then your community may construe your actions as 'opposition' - and the consequences may be dire. Right? Is that your reason for supporting Hamas? Are you afraid to speak out? If so, then I pity that you haven't tasted freedom despite living in a free country.

[Duck]

the act of encouraging education by rewarding students is a good act in its own right.

Of course I agree but don't you think it adds to the 'us' and 'them' culture?

if a murderer gave a lot of money in charity does it nullify his charity? I think the charity itself is fine, the same regardless of who gives it.

Hamas aren't funding HIA, HIA are funding Hamas, right?

[Cianyx]

On the topic of charity, did you know, every time someone commits an act of altruism, the part of the brain commonly associated with sexual gratification lights up?

[Russ]

Except when you're having sex it usually doesn't cost you much, whilst donating $100 to charity to build a well in Tanzania is going to cost you that $100.

So you can't really equate altruism to trying to feel good, since the loss of whatever you've donated counteracts the pleasure.

[Spreadbury]

if a murderer gave a lot of money in charity does it nullify his charity? I think the charity itself is fine, the same regardless of who gives it.

I would find the murderer's motives for donating a large sum of money to a charity suspicious

But he's still a murderer and would still get convicted in a court for murder (are you comparing HAI to a murderer now?)

it's an analogy in which the meaning of the statement was clear, trying to extract intrinsic meaning that wasn't intended will just rejuvenate the previous argument

[Spreadbury]

Except when you're having sex it usually doesn't cost you much

prostitutes could cost substantially more than $100...

[Chavi]

the act of encouraging education by rewarding students is a good act in its own right.

Surely HAI wouldn't have any ulterior motives in providing free laptops to Muslim youth?

if a murderer gave a lot of money in charity does it nullify his charity? I think the charity itself is fine, the same regardless of who gives it.

So you do conceive of the possibility that HAI is funding murder?

[Russ]

Except when you're having sex it usually doesn't cost you much

prostitutes could cost substantially more than $100...

The cost I was referring to wasn't a literal one, more of an opportunity cost etc. So the cost of buying drinks, going out, watching She's The Man with your girlfriend etc.

The $100 is also a completely arbitrary figure, for example Gates donates millions