free laptops for muslim students [offtopic]

[TrueLight]

man yitzi you are the cruelest guy... yes let just let them rot.... you would be perfect when go (maybe) to the israeli army

why not just chuck a nuclear bomb on gaza and start again? that would be great right? it would solve everything.... hamas is gone... people who supported hamas are gone...what more can you ask for... >.<

gazan life obviously means nothing to you

thats what they teach you in your religion right? >.<

[ninwa]

I think if this topic has taught us but one thing, it's that the vast majority of Muslims believe that blowing up buses filled with children is an act to be condoned. After all, how else to explain the fact that every single one of the Muslims in this debate have admitted that they have no problem at all with Hamas, an organisation which has done such a thing countless times? That's a 100% success rate in Muslims supporting terrorism.

While I am not in the least bit surprised by this revelation, I do find it exceedingly disturbing.

How many Muslims have actually posted in this thread? Less than 10. How many Muslims in the world? About 1.27 billion.

You condemn people for making comments like "you must be a Jew"? You are just as bad as they are.

I don't give a damn how salient your point was, people like you are the reason the Muslim community is so ostracised, often for no reason at all.

[Russ]

Only insomuch as you want to draw a conclusion about them. You can't generalize upwards that far, it's completely unrealistic to expect half a dozen students to represent the global Muslim population.

I would also take issue with your ideas of aid but that can waittill tomorrow when my pc is working again

[Blakhitman]

I'm a Muslim, and I don't remember ever saying children should be killed nor did I say Hamas are right in what they do.

However I did say that Israel are definitely not handling the situation any better.

man yitzi you are the cruelest guy... yes let just let them rot.... you would be perfect when go (maybe) to the israeli army

why not just chuck a nuclear bomb on gaza and start again? that would be great right? it would solve everything.... hamas is gone... people who supported hamas are gone...what more can you ask for... >.<

gazan life obviously means nothing to you

thats what they teach you in your religion right? >.<

I can't believe he has no feelings towards them. Israeli blood is worth more than Palestinian blood to him.

[Cianyx]

6. The current aid is too much, seeing as the Gazan markets are full to capacity, and the people of Gaza deserve nothing at all until they remove Hamas

Except for white phosphorus bombs. amirite?

[TrueLight]

what do you define 'terrorism' or 'terrorist' as?

yitzi can you answer this as well

[Yitzi_K]

What I find interesting is that those in this thread that have admitted to supporting terrorism, and there are a few, are by all accounts intelligent people growing up in a liberal, democratic western society. Now normally, we're told that the 'tiny minority' of Muslims that condone terror are all ignorant people living in theocracies being spread propaganda by fundamentalist Imams all day. Clearly, we find that not to be the case.

You condemn people for making comments like "you must be a Jew"? You are just as bad as they are.

I didn't actually. You can check back if you don't believe me.

I don't give a damn how salient your point was, people like you are the reason the Muslim community is so ostracised, often for no reason at all.

Yet again, you and I will have to agree to disagree on this one.

[Yitzi_K]

6. The current aid is too much, seeing as the Gazan markets are full to capacity, and the people of Gaza deserve nothing at all until they remove Hamas

Except for white phosphorus bombs. amirite?

Are you right? No.

what do you define 'terrorism' or 'terrorist' as?

yitzi can you answer this as well

Why thank you. I define terrorism as the deliberate targeting of civilians in order to sow terror.

[TrueLight]

haha thanks you prove my point

your so ridiculous

[Chavi]

they have no problem at all with Hamas,

While I am not in the least bit surprised by this revelation, I do find it exceedingly disturbing.

it doesn't matter whether they are supported or not, the palestinian people elected them in 2006, it is who they supported

Hitler was democratically elected - that doesn't enhance his credibility in any way shape or form. Democracy isn't about being voted in - it's about what you do whilst you're in control. Democracy is about standing for re-election - something that neither Hitler nor Hamas have done.

Hamas believes in none of this, and just used a democratic framework to get into power. There is nothing democratic about that - and there is nothing democratic about Hamas. Hence, your vendetta to legitimize Hamas on democractic grounds is misguided, and you're not contributing anything to this debate. It also sets a dangerous precedent, as by extent, you legitimize terrorism against innocent civilians (and dare I say, Australians as well). Let's not forget the Bali bombings perpetrated by Jemaah Islamiyah (meaning Islamic congregation) that killed upwards of 80 Australians. Jemaah Islamiyah and Hamas are no different ideologically.

If you support HAI, you support Hamas, and by extent you support Jemah Islamiyah, and you condone the deaths of innocent Australians.

[Chavi]

Why has this suddenly turned into an Israel vs Arab world debate?

[Russ]

Wait, you seriously think that there is a good justification for ostracizing the Muslim community, or did I misinterpret what you said?

And Israel is by no means innocent in the entire middle eastern mess

E, because there was no intelligent discussion on HAI, so now we just make do with other (irrelevant) content

[Yitzi_K]

haha thanks you prove my point

your so ridiculous

And which point is that, exactly?

[Yitzi_K]

Wait, you seriously think that there is a good justification for ostracizing the Muslim community, or did I misinterpret what you said?

I think that the general refusal by the wider Muslim community to condemn acts of terrorism is grounds for ostracism, yes. Of course, this does not mean that every Muslim should be ostracised, as there are those who do condemn terrorism (just not in this topic unfortunately) but in general,  it is very rare to find major Islamic organisations condemning every case of terrorism, something which I believe seriously undermines their claim not to support it.

[Cianyx]

And this is restricted only to the Muslim community?