free laptops for muslim students [offtopic]

[samiira]

http://info-wars.org/2010/01/10/charges-of-palestinian-child-torture-in-israeli-prisons/

Charges of Palestinian Child torture in Israeli prisons
January 10, 2010 by Infowars Ireland

Palestine, January 9, 2010 (Pal Telegraph) – Defence for Children International/Palestine Section (DCI/PS) on Wednesday submitted 13 cases to the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture for investigation.



http://www.israel-palestinenews.org/2010/09/israeli-forces-torture-16-year-old.html

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Wednesday, September 1, 2010
Israeli forces torture 16-year-old Palestinian; victim to be tried in military court; supporters ask for international help
Addameer - On 6 February 2010 Mohammad Halabiyeh, a 16 year-old Palestinian boy was arrested by the Israeli Border Police, in his hometown of Abu Dis.

During the arrest operation, Mohammad broke his left leg, just above the ankle. Nonetheless, the soldiers beat him all over his body and intentionally kicked his injured leg. Torture and ill-treatment continued for five consecutive days following his arrest and reached its peak at the Hadassah hospital, where the Israeli soldiers pushed syringes into the boy’s hand and leg multiple times, covered his mouth with adhesive tape, punched Mohammad in the face, hit him in the abdomen with a stick and deprived him of sleep in an attempt to deter the boy from reporting the ill-treatment to the Israeli police.




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[Chavi]

can someone also tell me

should aid be given to gaza?
who should give aid to gaza?
how will they prevent hamas from getting these funds?
if aid is somehow given how will they end up giving it?
does the Israeli government check HAI aid before it is given to gaza?
is the current aid given sufficient?

1. YES
2. Everyone
3. Pretty hard.
4. Apparently Hamas is in charge of aid distribution (I think this is Chavi's argument as to how HAI support Hamas)
5. Hope not.
6. Will never be sufficient.

Historians widely agree that the Arab world were largely responsible and complicit for the situation that the Palestinians find themselves in (i.e. as the perennial refugees, never to be resettled, always waiting on that order to swamp Israel). By inferring that Palestinians will require foreign aid indefintely you are showing everyone:

1) that you care nothing for Palestinians, you just wish to see them wallow in an endless supply of foreign aid. This simply perpetuates the feelings of victim-hood that prevents Palestinians from getting on with their lives or establishing a state. (after all, if I am guaranteed an endless supply of aid from UNRWA, why should I bother doing anything myself?)
2) You divert attention from actual catastrophes and tragedies. Focusing exclusively on Palestinians doesn't make you a humanitarian. The people who need aid now are those starving in Niger and Zimbabwe, the genocide victims (of terrorism) in Darfur, those persecuted by Al-Shabab (terrorists? touche) in Sudan, and of course the oppressed dissidents in Iran. Palestinians enjoy longer life-expectancies than most of the Arab world, and turkey. Where is the so-called humanitarian crisis?

[bomb]

do u really wish to see the real terrorists.. heres u go..

WTF do you mean by that? You saying HAMAS are not terrorists?

[samiira]

to chavi and da rest of the haters!!!   

Ive seriously had enough of ur shit.. honestly you've pushed things too far..its pointless arguing with u stubborn ppl with biased views.. i know u hate muslims.. but guess wat we dnt give damn.. ur radical notions about islam and muslims mean shit to us.. so i suggest u should go get a life!

[Yitzi_K]

do u really wish to see the real terrorists..

Are you implying that Hamas are not real terrorists? Need I remind you that Hamas claimed responsibility for the fatal shooting of four unarmed civilians, including a pregnant mother, last month?

[samiira]

do u really wish to see the real terrorists.. heres u go..

WTF do you mean by that? You saying HAMAS are not terrorists?

i havent even mentioned hamas at all.. y do u cum to irrelevant conclusions..

[Cianyx]

And this is restricted only to the Muslim community?

Well, what percentage of Catholics/Protestants/Hindus/Mormons/Buddhists/Jews/Ba'Hais/Atheists support terrorism?

IRA, KKK, Crusades, gunpowder plot, Christian Romans used to persecute protestants, etc. Religious violence is not restricted to Islam in the past or present.

But how many of these extremist groups are confined to the past? Can we get the HAMAS sympathizers to name some contemporary (non Muslim) terrorist groups that operate on a global scale, have a worldwide support base, and have killed in excess of thousands of innocent civilians? I can think of many, but all of them utilize Islam to justify their crimes.

IDF

And this is restricted only to the Muslim community?

Well, what percentage of Catholics/Protestants/Hindus/Mormons/Buddhists/Jews/Ba'Hais/Atheists support terrorism?

Sons of Freedom, Iron Guard, LANC, Hutaree, RNU, Kateb Party, Lord's Resistance Army, JDL, Kach and Kahane Chai

Quick question, by terrorism, you mean support for Hamas?

Your naming of terrorist groups does not answer my question, which was for an (approximate) percentage of people who support such groups. I'm guessing the percentage of people who support those groups numbers 0.00001% of the population, probably significantly less. Now if only that case with Muslims regarding Islamic terrorism, the world would be a better place.

and btw, if you're in for a game of naming terror groups of respective religions, I'm pretty sure I'd win.

The Christian movement in Uganda is easily in the double digits, somewhere about 80-90%. A lot of people in the Middle East are more nationalistic than anything. A study was done there and most of the dissent amongst the people were rooted in anti-US policy. The fact that Israel is backed by the US with military aid and is using it to oppress and murder the Palestinian people, adds fuel to the fire. Islam is just a front. Quite an effective one in garnering support as well.

[Chavi]

For some reason I had an inkling that this discussion on Muslim VCE students accepting laptops from an NGO with links to Hamas would end up not only legitimizing the said NGO (HAI), but legitimizing HAMAS and terrorism as well.

All this, and without an inkling of evidence or a properly strung argument. It just seems inevitable that terrorist sympathizers try to escape the blame by riding the bandwagon of anti-Israel vitriol.

All those non-Muslims who are going along with their arguments - you are unwittingly supporting and legitimizing those who would like to see you dead.

[samiira]

also go through this  http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

ull realize that israel gives way more shit to palestians than the palestians ever did give to israel.. go on justify ur beloved nation now

[Cianyx]

Moot point considering you are doing the same thing

[bomb]

to chavi and da rest of the haters!!!  

Ive seriously had enough of ur shit.. honestly you've pushed things too far..its pointless arguing with u stubborn ppl with biased views.. i know u hate muslims.. but guess wat we dnt give damn.. ur radical notions about islam and muslims mean shit to us.. so i suggest u should go get a life!

Just because we are against terrorism we hate muslims?

do u really wish to see the real terrorists.. heres u go..

WTF do you mean by that? You saying HAMAS are not terrorists?

i havent even mentioned hamas at all.. y do u cum to irrelevant conclusions..

You don't need to mention Hamas. What you implied was pretty clear.

[TrueLight]

seriously read this
the word 'terrorism' has been thrown around here to bash the people who are blinded by one road with two walls around their head

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/02/19/terrorism/index.html

[Chavi]

to chavi and da rest of the haters!!!  

Ive seriously had enough of ur shit.. honestly you've pushed things too far..its pointless arguing with u stubborn ppl with biased views.. i know u hate muslims.. but guess wat we dnt give damn.. ur radical notions about islam and muslims mean shit to us.. so i suggest u should go get a life!

Hate, is an emotion that takes quite a lot to stir. I think throughout this discussion, you have been missing the point completely. By equating a simple query on the links of HAI to HAMAS, you seem to construe an attack on Islam. This is not the case, and you're not doing yourself a favour.

[samiira]

For some reason I had an inkling that this discussion on Muslim VCE students accepting laptops from an NGO with links to Hamas would end up not only legitimizing the said NGO (HAI), but legitimizing HAMAS and terrorism as well.

All this, and without an inkling of evidence or a properly strung argument. It just seems inevitable that terrorist sympathizers try to escape the blame by riding the bandwagon of anti-Israel vitriol.

All those non-Muslims who are going along with their arguments - you are unwittingly supporting and legitimizing those who would like to see you dead.

First of all u were the one that started all this shittalking with terrorism and hamas.. u shud honestly just shut up and screw ur self.. and if u realized this discussion was meant to end many times.. not just by us.. but also by a few other ppl from VN.. but you's ignored and went on with ur bullshitting and kept changing the topic from one thing to another.. i am more than happy to finish this useless argument here if ur willing to stop

[TrueLight]

All those non-Muslims who are going along with their arguments - you are unwittingly supporting and legitimizing those who would like to see you dead.

go freakin be a neocon in the american congress