in which we discuss my school getting pwned on the front of the age.com

[Chavi]

   I was born to a Jewish mother. Yesterday I ate a dish which contained shellfish, pork and milk products. Do you exhort me to present myself before a Beth Din? What will likely happen if I do?

Wouldn't that depend on whether you follow the religion or not? I think I read somewhere where you said you were an atheist.

  Yes, I am an atheist. (Or whatever the correct term is for someone who tacitly renounces belief in a higher power.) However, I'd imagine that for orthodox Jews, if you're born a Jew you remain one, no matter what you do with your life. We'll see what Yitzl says anyway.

Yeah I heard the same thing. We know of a Jewish lady who entered Islam and her parents will always be telling her "Your still a Jew, you have Jewish blood" or something like that

Anyway, do you call yourself a "Jew?"-I found it hard to believe someone can be Jewish and not believe in God, since I thought that had made up the foundations of the faith?

This is just me asking, I heard there's many like that but never understood it.

You should make a distinction between Jews and Judaism, in the same way that you make distinctions between Arabs and Muslims, even though there are large overlaps
Judaism is a religion, yes, to which a firm majority of jews subscribe to.
Jews are above all a nationality (not a race, as Hitler believed). This is how they are described in the bible ("Am Yisrael" - "the people of Israel"), this is how, as Combob has aptly demonstrated, you can have Atheist Jews (as opposed to Atheist Christians/Atheist Muslims, which are unheard of)
-"A Jew should never confuse his nationality with his citizenship" - Menachem Begin, PM of Israel

[Chavi]

Not true. One can be a Jewish christian, or a Jewish muslim, or a Jewish atheist. Being a Jew has nothing to do with what religion you are, it simply means you had a Jewish mother (or converted). Judaism is the religion which observant Jews believe that all Jews are commanded to follow.

I have to disagree with this point. You can't be a Jewish Christian or a Jewish Muslim. If you renounce your Jewish faith - that's it. You'll have troubling applying for the law of return, because Israel won't recognize you as Jewish. (but they will recognize you as Jewish if you simply identify with Judaism and have 1 paternal Jewish grandparent i.e. lo lefi halacha)

btw - how did this topic go from Lesbian @school party >>>>> religion

[Chavi]

It is interesting how we follow some verses in the bible but not others.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. Where can I buy a New Zealander?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)


Taken from my fb tho I can't remember where I found it.

However, someone told me that the NT makes a lot of these laws void (though I believe Judaism follows the OT, no?)

Great to see you demonstrating your superior knowledge of religion by finding a few quotes out of context from Google. Way to go. In 5 min of trawling the internet you have aptly every conceivable 'flaw' in religious thought. Here, have a cookie.

[MuggedByReality]

 LOL^ ^   You really liven this place up

 

  

[MuggedByReality]

       Yitzl, if your food is in liable to go bad, couldn't you give some away?

 
     
    enwiabe: I sent you 2 civil PMs regarding my username. Please reply, or I'll assume you haven't seen   them

[Yitzi_K]

       Yitzl, if your food is in liable to go bad, couldn't you give some away?

Well yeh, you can do anything other than close the fridge. We actually have two fridges at home, so when that happened to one of ours, we just put the food in the other one (which has the light turned off pernamently.)

[Eriny]

I'm curious, why can't you turn off the light?

[Yitzi_K]

I'm curious, why can't you turn off the light?

The Torah forbids doing work on shabbat. The Rabbis list the 39 types of labour that are included in this prohibition, one of which is extingnuishing a fire. Closing the fridge would cause the light to turn off, and that is considered to be extingnuishing the 'fire' that is present in the filament.

[Cianyx]

Actually, Hitler never considered Judaism a race. But whatever dude

[Chavi]

Actually, Hitler never considered Judaism a race. But whatever dude

Actually white nationalism and nazism are the most notorious proponents of racial theories in history. Do you need me to post a link to the text of the Nuremburg Laws, or will you concede on this point?

[Cianyx]

He claimed that Jews were agents of the faith and not actually a race in themselves. The Nuremburg Laws never referred to them as a race.

[Chavi]

sigh.

He claimed that Jews were agents of the faith and not actually a race in themselves. The Nuremburg Laws never referred to them as a race.

http://www.ushmm.org/outreach/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007695

The Nuremberg Laws, as they became known, did not define a "Jew" as someone with particular religious beliefs. Instead, anyone who had three or four Jewish grandparents was defined as a Jew, regardless of whether that individual identified himself or herself as a Jew or belonged to the Jewish religious community.

[Cianyx]

And my point still stands. Jews were still not defined as a race. He wanted to rid Germany completely of the Jewish faith, so he defined a Jew as someone with three of four Jewish grandparents

[Chavi]

And my point still stands. Jews were still not defined as a race. He wanted to rid Germany completely of the Jewish faith, so he defined a Jew as someone with three of four Jewish grandparents

lol - thank you for proving my point. In my readings of Mein Kampf, I discovered that other than 900 pages of insane ramblings, the entire book is one long rant/diatribe against what Hitler sees as the "evil Jewish race"

Whereas faith/religion is a personal decision that anyone can take up, one's race is immutable, as it biologically extends to your grandparents and beyond.
Hitler saw Jews as the only people opposing his delusions of a crazed Aryan master-race empire. Imagined race politics were at the very centre of Hitler's antagonism and crazy delusion of grandeur. Taking Jesse Owens as a prime example. . .

[Cianyx]

And if you took up Judaism under Nazi Germany, you would be killed as well.

Absolutely, there are biological elements involved in the laws. But there are also large traditional and cultural values involved which I believe what he was aiming for. Judaism was (or is) a belief which is predominantly passed down from generations, correct?
I'm not saying he wasn't a racist as he definitely was as you pointed out with Jesse Owens.

But fine, you win. I will be gone for a while. I've had fun dude