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Re: in which we discuss my school getting pwned on the front of the age.com
« Reply #60 on: November 12, 2010, 11:36:16 pm »
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Leviticus 19:19 reads, “You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together.”

Timothy 2:9: “Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments.”

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« Reply #61 on: November 13, 2010, 07:54:46 am »
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It is interesting how we follow some verses in the bible but not others.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. Where can I buy a New Zealander?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)



Taken from my fb tho I can't remember where I found it.

However, someone told me that the NT makes a lot of these laws void (though I believe Judaism follows the OT, no?)
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Re: in which we discuss my school getting pwned on the front of the age.com
« Reply #62 on: November 13, 2010, 10:53:46 am »
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Leviticus 19:19 reads, “You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together.”

Timothy 2:9: “Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments.”
Those two quotes sound restricting, we must acknolegde to the fact that things change over time.

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Re: in which we discuss my school getting pwned on the front of the age.com
« Reply #63 on: November 13, 2010, 01:17:28 pm »
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That's not the point, the point was to provide a source.

Also, bible discussion isn't going to end well :(

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Re: in which we discuss my school getting pwned on the front of the age.com
« Reply #64 on: November 13, 2010, 02:32:22 pm »
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The point was to say that you can't possibly follow all the different rules religion makes up for you. As such, it's impossible to tell the content of one's beliefs on the basis that they follow a certain religion. But the point isn't very important anyway, because overall it's not good to discriminate against people who aren't hurting anyone else, regardless of what you happen to believe.

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« Reply #65 on: November 14, 2010, 03:15:53 pm »
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Leviticus 19:19 reads, “You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together.”

That is talking specifically about wool and linen. Other mixtures of fibres are acceptable. It may interest you to know that orthodox Jews to this day do not wear clothing that contains both wool and linen.

It is interesting how we follow some verses in the bible but not others.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. Where can I buy a New Zealander?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)



Taken from my fb tho I can't remember where I found it.

However, someone told me that the NT makes a lot of these laws void (though I believe Judaism follows the OT, no?)

a) Bulls may only be sacrificed at the altar in the Temple. As such, it should pose no problem for your neighbour. (Additionally, you're not going to be doing any sacrificing, as a woman.)

b) In a case whereby a father simply cannot provide his daughter, he may 'sell' her to another, for that person to take care of her until she is old enough to care for herself. Nowadays, we call that 'adoption'.

c) It may interest you to know that even today, orthodox Jews do not have any relations when the wife is menstruating. It's called Taharat Hamishpacha, and is one of the most important facets of Judaism.

d) In the New Zealand slave market.

e) No, you are morally obligated to take him to the Beth Din (Court of Law). There, the case would be judged (although you would not count as a witness) and, if all the criteria were filled, the Beth Din would put him to death. Nowadays, in the absence of the Sanhedrin, there are no courts with the power to impose the death sentence. When the Sanhedrin returns, so will the death sentence.

f) No, I can't. G-d calls them both abominations, so we would have to assume that they are equal.

g) As you are both a women and not a Kohen, this doesn't matter to you. But the list of blemishes which invalidate a person from the priesthood is clearly set out in the commentaries. If you are really interested, look it up.

h) Again, it may interest you to know that orthodox Jews do not ever completely remove their sideburns, as per this commandment. Many never cut them at all. As for your friends, I'm assuming they're not Jewish, so the commandment does not apply to them. If they are Jewish, you should take them to a Beth Din.

i) Footballs are no longer made of pig skin. Problem solved.

j) The commandment to burn an entire town is not for towns which commit those sins. It's specifically for idol worship. According to the Talmud, such an event (the razing of an entire town) never too place in history.
Also, it may interest you to know that orthodox Jews to this day do not plant multiple crops in one field (although the rules for that are exceedingly complex), nor do they wear wool/linen blends.

I hope I've answered all your questions. Hit me back if you've got more.

It really bugs me when people say that all religions change over time, because it's so factually incorrect. Orthodox Judaism remains exactly the same religion that it was 3000+ years ago. We still follow everyone of the exact same laws, and I challenge any of you to prove otherwise. The only difference right now is that in the absence of a Temple and a Sanhedrin, many of the commandments simply cannot be carried out. Tomorrow, when the Temple is rebuilt and the Sanhedrin reestablished, these laws will come bac into force exactly as stated in the Torah.
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Re: in which we discuss my school getting pwned on the front of the age.com
« Reply #66 on: November 14, 2010, 03:20:56 pm »
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a) Bulls may only be sacrificed at the altar in the Temple. As such, it should pose no problem for your neighbour. (Additionally, you're not going to be doing any sacrificing, as a woman.)

I know it's OT, but best thing I've read today

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« Reply #67 on: November 14, 2010, 03:51:16 pm »
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I'm sure that proper orthodox Jews follow the rules of the bible well, if not fully. However, just because someone identifies as Jewish, doesn't mean that you know the entire contents of all their beliefs. Same with Christianity, same with Islam, etc.

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« Reply #68 on: November 14, 2010, 03:54:37 pm »
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I'm sure that proper orthodox Jews follow the rules of the bible well, if not fully. However, just because someone identifies as Jewish, doesn't mean that you know the entire contents of all their beliefs. Same with Christianity, same with Islam, etc.

That's true, and there are many non-religious Jews. However, you said 'you can't possibly follow all the different rules religion makes up for you'. What I'm telling you is that it is possible, and orthodox Jews do so. (I can't speak for other religions though).
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Re: in which we discuss my school getting pwned on the front of the age.com
« Reply #69 on: November 14, 2010, 05:13:21 pm »
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It really bugs me when people say that all religions change over time, because it's so factually incorrect. Orthodox Judaism remains exactly the same religion that it was 3000+ years ago. We still follow everyone of the exact same laws, and I challenge any of you to prove otherwise. The only difference right now is that in the absence of a Temple and a Sanhedrin, many of the commandments simply cannot be carried out. Tomorrow, when the Temple is rebuilt and the Sanhedrin reestablished, these laws will come bac into force exactly as stated in the Torah.

And once again you've missed the point.

How many "religious" schools follow ALL of these bible laws? I'm not just talking about Jewish schools. I'm talking about schools of every religion - Islamic, Catholic, Anglican, Hindu (if they exist).

The answer is very few. So why do they get to pick and choose and only follow the "homosexuality is bad" line?
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« Reply #70 on: November 14, 2010, 05:14:59 pm »
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It's something that they have very strong views against.

Why do the Police usually let people off with possession of Marijuana, yet always arrest murderers?

If the school/institution is strongly opposed to homosexuality. I see no reason why these people want to go to those schools anyway?

If I was gay, I wouldn't be able to stand the thought of the administration absolutely loathing my kind. The Bible is not intended to be taken literally. Most sections of it anyway. It's open to interpretation etc.
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« Reply #71 on: November 14, 2010, 05:28:12 pm »
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Let me clarify then.

Why should schools be allowed to justify their discrimination on the basis of religion when clearly they don't really give two shits about the religion (since they're not bothering to follow all its laws, just the ones they find convenient)?

It's something that they have very strong views against.
My parents have very strong views against dark-skinned people, should they be allowed to start a school which bans Indians from attending?

Why do the Police usually let people off with possession of Marijuana, yet always arrest murderers?
I don't understand what this has to do with anything.

If the school/institution is strongly opposed to homosexuality. I see no reason why these people want to go to those schools anyway?
IGS does not state this as their policy, but instead justified it on the basis of age (which everyone knew was bullshit).

If they didn't want homosexuals attending their school (and giving them money) then why not make that obvious?
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Re: in which we discuss my school getting pwned on the front of the age.com
« Reply #72 on: November 14, 2010, 05:31:41 pm »
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It's something that they have very strong views against.

Why do the Police usually let people off with possession of Marijuana, yet always arrest murderers?

If the school/institution is strongly opposed to homosexuality. I see no reason why these people want to go to those schools anyway?

If I was gay, I wouldn't be able to stand the thought of the administration absolutely loathing my kind. The Bible is not intended to be taken literally. Most sections of it anyway. It's open to interpretation etc.

Of course you wouldn't want to go to a school that has homophobic policies and makes life for homosexuals harder. However, given that you firstly cannot gauge their level of acceptance from the outset, that makes choosing difficult. But further, by telling homosexuals to 'pick something else' you limit their choices in terms of where they'd like to be educated - straight people get to go to school anywhere they want, basically.

Furthermore, given recent reports from the US that homosexual people are killing themselves due to a lack of wider societal acceptance, I think the attitude of 'go somewhere else' simplifies what it means to be rejected by an educational institution and the hurt that can entail.

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« Reply #73 on: November 14, 2010, 05:35:51 pm »
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Let me clarify then.

Why should schools be allowed to pick and choose from the laws of the bible, and then justify their discrimination on the basis of religion when clearly they don't really give two shits about the religion?

Well this is a bit more complex. See normally, I'd say the school gets to choose which values the school values. It's their building, if they believe in something, then so be it. However, I go to a Catholic school myself and am a Catholic. I see sluts at the school, banging boys before school, with no respect for themselves. People swear constantly, the teachers don't even tell them off.  One of my teachers keeps saying how bullshit the whole religion is. The list goes on. Personally, if the school has set values and adheres to them, then they can pick whichever values they like such as their stance on homosexuality.  However, if they are going to quote that there actions where concordant with Catholicism, then they must always adhere to the core beliefs in Catholicism. I personally don't think Catholic school do that currently and hence I see reason for your argument. I would prefer to go to a school where people live in a way Jesus would have wanted, that currently does not happen in Catholic schools.

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« Reply #74 on: November 14, 2010, 05:43:23 pm »
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It's something that they have very strong views against.

Why do the Police usually let people off with possession of Marijuana, yet always arrest murderers?

If the school/institution is strongly opposed to homosexuality. I see no reason why these people want to go to those schools anyway?

If I was gay, I wouldn't be able to stand the thought of the administration absolutely loathing my kind. The Bible is not intended to be taken literally. Most sections of it anyway. It's open to interpretation etc.

Of course you wouldn't want to go to a school that has homophobic policies and makes life for homosexuals harder. However, given that you firstly cannot gauge their level of acceptance from the outset, that makes choosing difficult. But further, by telling homosexuals to 'pick something else' you limit their choices in terms of where they'd like to be educated - straight people get to go to school anywhere they want, basically.

Furthermore, given recent reports from the US that homosexual people are killing themselves due to a lack of wider societal acceptance, I think the attitude of 'go somewhere else' simplifies what it means to be rejected by an educational institution and the hurt that can entail.


Well this is sad, I don't know how to answer this. Personally, I know in R.E we are taught not to hate homosexuals and be accepting. Our reasons against homosexuality though is that it makes it impossible for people to have children. Hence it's against the human race God made etc etc etc. It's more complex but that's the jist of it. I find it remarkable on a scientific note, that in the same period of time, out of thousands of years, two things occur. One, science makes it possible for homosexuals to have children and so have continue the human race. Two, homosexuality is  starting to become more acceptable in society. Personally, my logical guess(Nostradamus type effort here)  is that God has planned for the explosion of homosexual acceptance and liberation. I simply find it far to great a coincidence for technology to advance to a point where it prevents the major road-block for homosexuals in that they can't have kids, to come in almost the exact same period as homosexuality's global explosion. Remember we are talking about thousands of years here.