Poll: Should Turkey Join the EU?

[Cianyx]

Lol at the thread

How did you even get here?

Pretty cool interview
http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/stories/s511530.htm

Byrne: : What options does the Israeli army have, do you think?

Van Creveld: Nothing will work.

Byrne: : Nothing at all? Do you think there’s no change of strategy?

Van Creveld: No. There is one thing that can be done – and that is to put and end to the situation whereby we are the strong fighting the weak, because that is the most stupid situation in which anybody can be.

Byrne: : And how do you do that?

Van Creveld: Exactly. How do you do that. You do that by A, waiting for a suitable opportunity... B, doing whatever it takes to restore the balance of power between us and the Palestinians... C, removing 90% of the causes of the conflict, by pulling out... and D, building a wall between us and the other side, so tall that even the birds cannot fly over it.... so as to avoid any kind of friction for a long long time in the future.

[Chavi]

I don't support terror. I support my religion. i support Islam. Islam forbids terror.

And all you have to say, more like attack-that i go on supporting terrorism/hiding behind international aids-that is sickening.

You just pray that i one day go to Palestine.One thing you better get right is that i work for humanity-I don't care what race, religion,colour you are. ( And yes, believe it or not it's because of my religion)

I can never believe that Israel's don't want to kill palestinians. It's not by your words-it's by their actions.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html

The numbers also do not include the sizable number of Palestinians who died as a result of inability to reach medical care due to Israeli road closures, curfews, the Israeli closure of border crossing from Gaza, etc.

You might also want to shed light on why there are some Jews who are against the state.

You might want to tell me why Muslims like Khaled Abu Toameh and Magdi Allam (http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/muslim-italian-and-zionist-1.224608) support Israel and denounce Hamas

I'll answer that for you. Devoted Mulims think America and Israel pay those guys and hence call them traitors.

Who are these "devoted" Muslims? How do you judge devotion? By whoever screams the loudest and showcases the nastiest slogans?
If this is truly what being Muslim is about (Souljette can help me out here), then I can conclude that it is not a religion but a a warped, narcissistic ideology seeking to impose a global caliphate upon innocent people everywhere.

PS> I have Islamic rage boy in mind: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/islamic-rage-boy

[Dmytro]

Israeli PM Golda Pm siad: "When the Arabs love their children more than they hate ours, there will be peace". For Souljette's sake, I hope that day will come soon.

Your PM is abit unrealistic, sorry to say that. Muslims purpose of life is 'death'. They don't know how to live and enjoy life. Entertainment is the devil's (SATAN) work. Everything is forbidden in that religion, they are controlled life puppets!

Hence that day will never come, can you organise a meeting with your PM. I want to tell him this personally.

[Souljette_93]

lol Souljette_93 your probably going to get nowhere with Chavi like the last thread...

I think so. Might as well rest my case soon.

Or you may as well give up - because you will lose this argument like the last one.

No, I don't give up. I rest my cases because I don't see the point. I'm not changing and neither are you. The last argument was a joke-please, don't even remind me of it.

And on a side note, I think you just support the most extreme variant of Islam that supports Hamas and condones the 9/11 attacks. It is people like you that perpetuate the stereotype that Muslims are terrorists - when in reality, there are Muslims Arabs that support Israel and look toward reconciliation - in the same way that most Israelis just ask for peace over and over and over (and they will continue )

Extreme Side of Islam? Sorry, but that simply does not exist. And i knew that statement was coming. "it's people like you.."-Mate, I'm not here to please anyone. I said it before, and I'll say it again-I support my religion. And if your statement was true, then there would be peace by now in the land of Palestine right now. Is the conflict going to end? Yes, it will.

This thread turned in a blame-hate thing now. Going around attacking each other/claiming stuff that are not true is not what i'm interested it

[Dmytro]

I don't support terror. I support my religion. i support Islam. Islam forbids terror.

And all you have to say, more like attack-that i go on supporting terrorism/hiding behind international aids-that is sickening.

You just pray that i one day go to Palestine.One thing you better get right is that i work for humanity-I don't care what race, religion,colour you are. ( And yes, believe it or not it's because of my religion)

I can never believe that Israel's don't want to kill palestinians. It's not by your words-it's by their actions.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html

The numbers also do not include the sizable number of Palestinians who died as a result of inability to reach medical care due to Israeli road closures, curfews, the Israeli closure of border crossing from Gaza, etc.

You might also want to shed light on why there are some Jews who are against the state.

You might want to tell me why Muslims like Khaled Abu Toameh and Magdi Allam (http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/muslim-italian-and-zionist-1.224608) support Israel and denounce Hamas

I'll answer that for you. Devoted Mulims think America and Israel pay those guys and hence call them traitors.

Who are these "devoted" Muslims? How do you judge devotion? By whoever screams the loudest and showcases the nastiest slogans?
If this is truly what being Muslim is about (Souljette can help me out here), then I can conclude that it is not a religion but a a warped, narcissistic ideology seeking to impose a global caliphate upon innocent people everywhere.

PS> I have Islamic rage boy in mind: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/islamic-rage-boy

(Image removed from quote.)

EXACTLY, it is not a religion. It was dead until Israel was born, now many Muslims are becoming religious. It's an ideology! An ideology which wants to dominate the planet.

[Dmytro]

Souljette do you believe in angels and devils.

[Chavi]

Souljette, I think the crux of this debate comes down to one question:

Does (your version at least of) Islam permit a Jewish state called Israel to exist in "Palestine"?
(if were to ask me the opposite question, I would answer in the affirmative)

[Souljette_93]

Souljette do you believe in angels and devils.

You asked me in PM and now you ask me again. What's your intention behind this?

And yes, for your sake and the rest on the public forum, I believe in Angels and Devils.

[Dmytro]

It answers my question.

Now do you believe the devil gave me all the info I sent you?

[Souljette_93]

Souljette, I think the crux of this debate comes down to one question:

Does (your version at least of) Islam permit a Jewish state called Israel to exist in "Palestine"?
(if were to ask me the opposite question, I would answer in the affirmative)

Sorry-get your stuff right. There is no version of "islam" -Islam is one, it's purpose was one.
There is nothing specific in my religion that says Jews can't have a state. But in yours, ( Judaism), there is.

[Chavi]

Lol at the thread

How did you even get here?

Turkey = middle east = KABOOM debate!

[Chavi]

Souljette, I think the crux of this debate comes down to one question:

Does (your version at least of) Islam permit a Jewish state called Israel to exist in "Palestine"?
(if were to ask me the opposite question, I would answer in the affirmative)

Sorry-get your stuff right. There is no version of "islam" -Islam is one, it's purpose was one.
There is nothing specific in my religion that says Jews can't have a state. But in yours, ( Judaism), there is.

So you recognize the existence of Israel as Jewish and democratic state?
(only a one word answer is necessary here)

[Chavi]

Souljette, I think the crux of this debate comes down to one question:

Does (your version at least of) Islam permit a Jewish state called Israel to exist in "Palestine"?
(if were to ask me the opposite question, I would answer in the affirmative)

Sorry-get your stuff right. There is no version of "islam" -Islam is one, it's purpose was one.
There is nothing specific in my religion that says Jews can't have a state. But in yours, ( Judaism), there is.

According to your beliefs, that is. There turns out to be a few versions of Islam. Here's one that they probably don't teach you at King Khalid
http://www.danielpipes.org/810/liberal-islam-a-sourcebook

[Dmytro]

Souljette do you believe in angels and devils.

You asked me in PM and now you ask me again. What's your intention behind this?

And yes, for your sake and the rest on the public forum, I believe in Angels and Devils.

You believe in Islam, you believe in devils, you believe in angels. When I say the devil gave me some information, which shouldn't be hard for a supernatural being, you find me speaking unreastically. You think I'm devoid of reason. Perhaps devils don't exist, which makes islam a fraud, which makes your whole devotion to this religion a fraud.

[Souljette_93]

Souljette do you believe in angels and devils.

You asked me in PM and now you ask me again. What's your intention behind this?

And yes, for your sake and the rest on the public forum, I believe in Angels and Devils.

You believe in Islam, you believe in devils, you believe in angels. When I say the devil gave me some information, which shouldn't be hard for a supernatural being, you find me speaking unreastically. You think I'm devoid of reason. Perhaps devils don't exist, which makes islam a fraud, which makes your whole devotion to this religion a fraud.

....And how would you know that devils don't exist? I believe that All religions believe in Devils and Angels. And Yes, they are super-natural beings.