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Re: Iran can hit Western Europe
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2010, 01:10:23 am »
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the more reason to not start a war with Iran
Great idea. Lets just wait until they have the technology to stick a warhead onto their missiles, so that they can nuke London.

fear mongering...

I personally find your apologism for Iran's extremism quite sickening. They deliberately threaten violence on other countries. It's not fear mongering when there is a REASON to fear them. They actively state that they want to wipe out the west and we now know they are building nuclear weapons. What's not to fear?

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Re: Iran can hit Western Europe
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2010, 01:12:05 am »
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(although Israel have thus far been successful in stopping Russia sell Iran the S-300 anti-air system, the most advanced one around),
Nah. It was an epic fail. They've got those now. .


Not definite. Although Russia signed a contract to deliver them, I don't believe they actually have yet. Israel has been conducting high level negotiations with Russia to prevent the sale, so there must still be something in it.

This is what wikipedia has to say:

 Iran 's status regarding the S-300 system remains controversial. They are alleged to have acquired an unknown number of S-300PMU-1 missiles in 1993, potentially 300 recently from Belarus.[15] Iran claimed to have signed a contract with Russia on 25 December 2007 on the sales of the S-300PMU-2 missile system.[21] Russian officials have denied this.[22] According to senior Israeli defence sources Iran is to receive S-300s by 2009, deliveries will take place from September until begin 2009.[23][24][25] It has also been claimed that Croatia sold their S-300s to Iran.[26] Later, another claim was made saying Libya transferred S-300s to Iran.[27]. On December 21, according to a senior Iranian lawmaker, Russia has started the supply of components for S-300 air defense systems to Iran. Esmaeil Kosari, deputy chairman of the parliamentary commission on national security and foreign policy, told the Iranian news agency IRNA that Iran and Russia had held negotiations for several years on the purchase of S-300 air defense systems and had finalized a deal. Kosari said the Islamic Republic would deploy S-300 surface-to-air missile systems to strengthen national defense on border areas.[28] On 28 October 2009, if asked when Russia would deliver the systems to Iran, Ivanov said: "There have been no such deliveries to date."[29] Yet on 23 December 2009, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexei Borodavkin said Russia sees no reason to cancel a deal to provide S-300s to Iran. He said ""Exports of such weapons is subject to no UN treaty or other bilateral agreements, This is why we see no essential reason to make any change in the deal," indicating that there is a deal.[30] On 8 February 2010, Iran announced that it had a "domestically-made" system with the same capabilities as the S-300.[31] Alexander Fumin has said that the delay in the delivery is due to a technical problem with the radiowave system.[32]. In 19 April 2010, Asr Iran (Iran's Era) website said that Iran could develop a similar air missiles system[33] On 11 June 2010 Russia has stopped sale of the S-300 air defense system to Iran in lieu of U.N. sanctions against Iran stating that the "S-300s fall under these sanctions".[34]. On 4 August 2010 Iran claimed it has obtained two S-300PT (SA-10) from Belarus and two others from another unspecified source despite Russian refusal to deliver them.[35] The Belarusian government has denied rumors that Minsk had allegedly sold S-300 air defense systems to Iran. "The State Military-Industrial Committee can officially state that Belarus has never held talks with Iran on the deliveries of the S-300 air defense systems", said committee's spokesman Vladimir Lavrenyuk. "Belarus has never supplied S-300 systems or their components to Iran," he said, adding that Minsk strictly complied with international arms control regulations.[36] On 22 September 2010 Russian President Dmitry Medvedev signed a decree banning the sale of the S-300 and other military equipment to Iran.[37] The sale was canceled because of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1929 sanctions on Iran. On 10 November 2010 Iran announced that it had developed a version of the S-300 missile.[38] However Pieter Wezeman of the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute has questioned Iran's ability to duplicate the Russian missile system.[39]


Essentially, nothing conclusive, just rumors.
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Re: Iran can hit Western Europe
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2010, 01:12:10 am »
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yes they would if they are not preemptively striked

but i cant change your mind about this "single minded goal to destroy us" because despite me arguing the case many times, your mind is locked onto that idea so no point arguing and i wont
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Re: Iran can hit Western Europe
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2010, 01:13:31 am »
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the more reason to not start a war with Iran
Great idea. Lets just wait until they have the technology to stick a warhead onto their missiles, so that they can nuke London.

fear mongering...

I personally find your apologism for Iran's extremism quite sickening. They deliberately threaten violence on other countries. It's not fear mongering when there is a REASON to fear them. They actively state that they want to wipe out the west and we now know they are building nuclear weapons. What's not to fear?

Typical of TrueLight with his Ron Paul fetish.
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Re: Iran can hit Western Europe
« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2010, 01:14:07 am »
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typical of Yitzi and Chavi with their muslim/arab/islam/terrorist/war is great fetish
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Re: Iran can hit Western Europe
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2010, 01:14:30 am »
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the more reason to not start a war with Iran
Great idea. Lets just wait until they have the technology to stick a warhead onto their missiles, so that they can nuke London.

fear mongering...

I personally find your apologism for Iran's extremism quite sickening. They deliberately threaten violence on other countries. It's not fear mongering when there is a REASON to fear them. They actively state that they want to wipe out the west and we now know they are building nuclear weapons. What's not to fear?
On behalf of TrueLight, I wish to censor your comments fom Iranophobia. Such discrimination against the peaceful Ayatolla's of Iran cannot be tolerated.
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Re: Iran can hit Western Europe
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2010, 01:14:59 am »
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yes they would if they are not preemptively striked

but i cant change your mind about this "single minded goal to destroy us" because despite me arguing the case many times, your mind is locked onto that idea so no point arguing and i wont

There's no interpretation on that though. Ahmadinejad and other Iranian parliamentarians have stated this goal numerous times. It's not an opinion, it is a fact that that the destruction of Israel and the West is a stated goal of the Iranian government.

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Re: Iran can hit Western Europe
« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2010, 01:15:59 am »
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typical of Yitzi and Chavi with their muslim/arab/islam/terrorist/war is great fetish

War is not great, war is necessary to combat evil.
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Re: Iran can hit Western Europe
« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2010, 01:16:21 am »
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typical of Yitzi and Chavi with their muslim/arab/islam/terrorist/war is great fetish
Typical of you to appease radical Islam and the genocidal nuclearized Ayatollahs of Iran.
What will you say if, heaven forbid, a war breaks out because of inaction, apathy and appeasement?
You will stand like Neville Chamberlain and continue apologizing. . .
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Re: Iran can hit Western Europe
« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2010, 01:17:31 am »
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This is what wikipedia has to say:
Could you not find a more reliable source?
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Re: Iran can hit Western Europe
« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2010, 01:17:55 am »
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typical of Yitzi and Chavi with their muslim/arab/islam/terrorist/war is great fetish
Typical of you to appease radical Islam and the genocidal nuclearized Ayatollah of Iran.
What will you say if, heaven forbid, a war breaks out because of inaction, apathy and appeasement?
You will stand like Neville Chamberlain and continue apologizing. . .

If only someone were to say this to Obama... my blood boils at the thought of the 2 years he has completely wasted with this issue.
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Re: Iran can hit Western Europe
« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2010, 01:19:37 am »
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typical of Yitzi and Chavi with their muslim/arab/islam/terrorist/war is great fetish
Typical of you to appease radical Islam and the genocidal nuclearized Ayatollah of Iran.
What will you say if, heaven forbid, a war breaks out because of inaction, apathy and appeasement?
You will stand like Neville Chamberlain and continue apologizing. . .

If only someone were to say this to Obama... my blood boils at the thought of the 2 years he has completely wasted with this issue.

He's been far too busy sorting out his own country's mess to engage in any meaningful way with foreign policy beyond their two wars. Blame Bush for putting Obama in a situation where he's completely hamstrung in the sty of all of the internal problems of the States created for Obama by 8 years of incompeBush.

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Re: Iran can hit Western Europe
« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2010, 01:20:24 am »
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typical of Yitzi and Chavi with their muslim/arab/islam/terrorist/war is great fetish
Typical of you to appease radical Islam and the genocidal nuclearized Ayatollah of Iran.
What will you say if, heaven forbid, a war breaks out because of inaction, apathy and appeasement?
You will stand like Neville Chamberlain and continue apologizing. . .

If only someone were to say this to Obama... my blood boils at the thought of the 2 years he has completely wasted with this issue.
Ironically, wikileaks has shed light on the fact that Obama has suppressed far more information of US practices than any other administration in US history. He didn't close Guantanamo and he lacks the transparency to say it
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Re: Iran can hit Western Europe
« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2010, 01:24:57 am »
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This is what wikipedia has to say:
Could you not find a more reliable source?

Without access to Israeli Military Intelligence, no... I assume anything found on Google will be just as unreliable.

typical of Yitzi and Chavi with their muslim/arab/islam/terrorist/war is great fetish
Typical of you to appease radical Islam and the genocidal nuclearized Ayatollah of Iran.
What will you say if, heaven forbid, a war breaks out because of inaction, apathy and appeasement?
You will stand like Neville Chamberlain and continue apologizing. . .

If only someone were to say this to Obama... my blood boils at the thought of the 2 years he has completely wasted with this issue.

He's been far too busy sorting out his own country's mess to engage in any meaningful way with foreign policy beyond their two wars. Blame Bush for putting Obama in a situation where he's completely hamstrung in the sty of all of the internal problems of the States created for Obama by 8 years of incompeBush.

His was the decision to give Iran 9 months in which to 'talk' about their nuclear program. Suprise suprise, 2 weeks before the 9 months was up, Iran suddenly starts to talk, only for talks to break down immediately. However busy Obama has been, the lack of action is a direct consequence of his failure to do anything meaningful, and it is this which could come back to haunt him far more than the WMD debacle haunts Bush.
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Re: Iran can hit Western Europe
« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2010, 01:28:42 am »
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The "WMD debacle" as you put it drained trillions of dollars from the US economy and has contributed to the major failing and inability of the United States to recover from the GFC. So trivialising the Iraq war as a "WMD debacle" is very disingenuous and belies the enormous, crushing scope of the problem.

America's now limited resources are not focussed on Iran. When the situation improves to the point where America no longer has 10% unemployment (i.e. the economy picks up), then he'll have the luxury of sitting down and attempting to solve the problem of Iran being cunts PROPERLY, rather than half-assing it while attempting to juggle everything else and fucking it up.