Iran can hit Western Europe

[Chavi]

The "WMD debacle" as you put it drained trillions of dollars from the US economy and has contributed to the major failing and inability of the United States to recover from the GFC. So trivialising the Iraq war as a "WMD debacle" is very disingenuous and belies the enormous, crushing scope of the problem.

America's now limited resources are not focussed on Iran. When the situation improves to the point where America no longer has 10% unemployment (i.e. the economy picks up), then he'll have the luxury of sitting down and attempting to solve the problem of Iran being cunts PROPERLY, rather than half-assing it while attempting to juggle everything else and fucking it up.

10% unemployment for a couple more years vs Nuclear winter. The choice is his.
Also, the Obamacare's stimulus package dwarfs the price tag of war in comparison. The US has money. Obama is mismanaging it, in issues that have nothing to do with Bush.

[Yitzi_K]

The "WMD debacle" as you put it drained trillions of dollars from the US economy and has contributed to the major failing and inability of the United States to recover from the GFC. So trivialising the Iraq war as a "WMD debacle" is very disingenuous and belies the enormous, crushing scope of the problem.

And you don't think a nuclear strike anywhere in the world would be a greater calamity? Not to mention the necessary consequent war would be just as taxing as the Iraq one.

At the end of the day, if an Iranian nuclear strike does occur in the near future, Obama has a lot to answer for. That wouldn't absolve Israel's leadership either, who should be doing more than they are as well. (Having said that, I assume that this happy news was the work of the Mossad)

[enwiabe]

The "WMD debacle" as you put it drained trillions of dollars from the US economy and has contributed to the major failing and inability of the United States to recover from the GFC. So trivialising the Iraq war as a "WMD debacle" is very disingenuous and belies the enormous, crushing scope of the problem.

America's now limited resources are not focussed on Iran. When the situation improves to the point where America no longer has 10% unemployment (i.e. the economy picks up), then he'll have the luxury of sitting down and attempting to solve the problem of Iran being cunts PROPERLY, rather than half-assing it while attempting to juggle everything else and fucking it up.

10% unemployment for a couple more years vs Nuclear winter. The choice is his.
Also, the Obamacare's stimulus package dwarfs the price tag of war in comparison. The US has money. Obama is mismanaging it, in issues that have nothing to do with Bush.

1) They got all the bailout money back.
2) The infrastructure stimulus already improved unemployment by about 1%
3) The US economy has now experienced growth for two consecutive quarters.
4) Faux News is NOT news.

[Chavi]

The "WMD debacle" as you put it drained trillions of dollars from the US economy and has contributed to the major failing and inability of the United States to recover from the GFC. So trivialising the Iraq war as a "WMD debacle" is very disingenuous and belies the enormous, crushing scope of the problem.

America's now limited resources are not focussed on Iran. When the situation improves to the point where America no longer has 10% unemployment (i.e. the economy picks up), then he'll have the luxury of sitting down and attempting to solve the problem of Iran being cunts PROPERLY, rather than half-assing it while attempting to juggle everything else and fucking it up.

10% unemployment for a couple more years vs Nuclear winter. The choice is his.
Also, the Obamacare's stimulus package dwarfs the price tag of war in comparison. The US has money. Obama is mismanaging it, in issues that have nothing to do with Bush.

1) They got all the bailout money back.
2) The infrastructure stimulus already improved unemployment by about 1%
3) The US economy has now experienced growth for two consecutive quarters.
4) Faux News is NOT news.

You mean that every time I listen to Rupert Murdoch, I'm committing a Faux Pas?

[enwiabe]

The "WMD debacle" as you put it drained trillions of dollars from the US economy and has contributed to the major failing and inability of the United States to recover from the GFC. So trivialising the Iraq war as a "WMD debacle" is very disingenuous and belies the enormous, crushing scope of the problem.

And you don't think a nuclear strike anywhere in the world would be a greater calamity? Not to mention the necessary consequent war would be just as taxing as the Iraq one.

At the end of the day, if an Iranian nuclear strike does occur in the near future, Obama has a lot to answer for. That wouldn't absolve Israel's leadership either, who should be doing more than they are as well.

They have obviously assessed the threat as not likely to occur before they can work themselves out of their economic shithole. And why is ti all up to America? Why aren't you raging against the UN for sitting with their hands tied. An organisation ostensibly set up to combat this type of thing? Why aren't you angry at Russia who facilitates Iran. Why not at China who is now more powerful economically than the States? The US isn't there to solve every single problem. It tries the best that it can but getting angry because they're not attending to everything as best they can is really just tantrum throwing :-/

It's a difficult situation and it's so easy to sit on your ass and say everyone else isn't doing enough, but do you honestly think if there was a viable solution available to them that they wouldn't be taking it? Get a grip and get off your high horses.

[Chavi]

The "WMD debacle" as you put it drained trillions of dollars from the US economy and has contributed to the major failing and inability of the United States to recover from the GFC. So trivialising the Iraq war as a "WMD debacle" is very disingenuous and belies the enormous, crushing scope of the problem.

And you don't think a nuclear strike anywhere in the world would be a greater calamity? Not to mention the necessary consequent war would be just as taxing as the Iraq one.

At the end of the day, if an Iranian nuclear strike does occur in the near future, Obama has a lot to answer for. That wouldn't absolve Israel's leadership either, who should be doing more than they are as well.

They have obviously assessed the threat as not likely to occur before they can work themselves out of their economic shithole. And why is ti all up to America? Why aren't you raging against the UN for sitting with their hands tied. An organisation ostensibly set up to combat this type of thing? Why aren't you angry at Russia who facilitates Iran. Why not at China who is now more powerful economically than the States? The US isn't there to solve every single problem. It tries the best that it can but getting angry because they're not attending to everything as best they can is really just tantrum throwing :-/

It's a difficult situation and it's so easy to sit on your ass and say everyone else isn't doing enough, but do you honestly think if there was a viable solution available to them that they wouldn't be taking it? Get a grip and get off your high horses.

Because America is still perceived as the world's superpower, with the responsibility to take action in such situations. Although I do agree. With American hegemony declining, it's anybody's world now. . .

[enwiabe]

The "WMD debacle" as you put it drained trillions of dollars from the US economy and has contributed to the major failing and inability of the United States to recover from the GFC. So trivialising the Iraq war as a "WMD debacle" is very disingenuous and belies the enormous, crushing scope of the problem.

And you don't think a nuclear strike anywhere in the world would be a greater calamity? Not to mention the necessary consequent war would be just as taxing as the Iraq one.

At the end of the day, if an Iranian nuclear strike does occur in the near future, Obama has a lot to answer for. That wouldn't absolve Israel's leadership either, who should be doing more than they are as well.

They have obviously assessed the threat as not likely to occur before they can work themselves out of their economic shithole. And why is ti all up to America? Why aren't you raging against the UN for sitting with their hands tied. An organisation ostensibly set up to combat this type of thing? Why aren't you angry at Russia who facilitates Iran. Why not at China who is now more powerful economically than the States? The US isn't there to solve every single problem. It tries the best that it can but getting angry because they're not attending to everything as best they can is really just tantrum throwing :-/

It's a difficult situation and it's so easy to sit on your ass and say everyone else isn't doing enough, but do you honestly think if there was a viable solution available to them that they wouldn't be taking it? Get a grip and get off your high horses.

Because America is still perceived as the world's superpower, with the responsibility to take action in such situations. Although I do agree. With American hegemony declining, it's anybody's world now. . .

They're stretched to breaking point. Bush's Iraq made sure of that. I'd prefer that they did not break... What I'd like to see is China with a democratic government, now that would be awesome.

[MuggedByReality]

typical of Yitzi and Chavi with their muslim/arab/islam/terrorist/war is great fetish

Typical of you to appease radical Islam and the genocidal nuclearized Ayatollah of Iran.
What will you say if, heaven forbid, a war breaks out because of inaction, apathy and appeasement?
You will stand like Neville Chamberlain and continue apologizing. . .

If only someone were to say this to Obama... my blood boils at the thought of the 2 years he has completely wasted with this issue.

 Please: Allen West to run for President in 2012. A candidate who passionately advocates  a small, lean, non-meddlesome domestic govt *and* has a pragmatic, no-holds-barred approach to foreign policy? Surely not.

[MuggedByReality]

  Breaking News: Car bombs in Tehran kills one nuclear scientist and injure another. Iranian officials blame US/Israel.


  (I'd post a link but I don't know how to cut and paste on an apple pc)


  edit: seems Yitzl beat me to it

[Cthulhu]

  Breaking News: Car bombs in Tehran kills one nuclear scientist and injure another. Iranian officials blame US/Israel.


  (I'd post a link but I don't know how to cut and paste on an apple pc)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/6972265/Iranian-nuclear-scientist-killed-by-bomb.html

[Cthulhu]

09STATE14577
I'm still wary about linking wikileaks here. I'm not one for "big brother is watching you" but I believe the government will watch who visits wikileaks so I don't want anyone else to unwittingly do it.

Thats the tag is about the S-300 surface to air missiles and Iran, Russia and Israels relationship  Yitzi was talking about.

¶2. (C) Posts are requested to raise with appropriate
government officials our concerns about Russian plans to
transfer the S-300 long-range air-defense system to Iran.
Washington would like these governments to immediately and
directly raise this issue  with their Russian counterparts
arguing that such a transfer could significantly enhance
Iran's air defense capability; increase regional instability;
and reward Iran at a time when Iran is undermining security
with its nuclear pursuits and support for terrorism.

[Cianyx]

http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pdffiles/PUB368.pdf

Currently, there are three fashionable proposals to curb Iran’s
nuclear program, each of which is too uncertain or too self-defeating
to effectively address the nuclear threat.
• Bomb Iran’s Known Nuclear Sites. Iranians fear this. Exercising
this option, though, is risky. A “surgical” strike could start a war
(Iranian counterstrikes against U.S. forces in Iraq or terrorist
strikes elsewhere against the United States and Israel, etc.). Even
with the best planning, such a strike would be unlikely to destroy
all of Iran’s covert weapons efforts or stop its weapons scientists
from resuming work. To maximize surprise, the United States
(or Israel) would want to attack before securing other nations’
support. This, however, could jeopardize international backing
to contain Iran afterwards and would likely raise serious doubts
about the utility of the NPT and the IAEA―norms that might
otherwise help justify such a raid.
• Change the Regime. The United States and its allies say they
want to promote human rights and pluralistic politics in Iran.
Ultimately, this requires regime change (whether by overthrow or
major reform). How might this advance nuclear nonproliferation
in Iran? Is the regime in Iran likely to change before it acquires
a bomb? Would a new government end the nuclear program (or
surrender any bomb materials it might have produced)? How (if
at all) could promoting such a change stigmatize Iran as an NPT
violator to discourage would be bombmakers from following
suit? The answers to these questions remain unclear.
• Cut a Deal. Many offi cials in Europe, Asia, Russia, and China
favor cutting a deal with Tehran. They would like to see the
understanding the United Kingdom, France, and Germany
reached with Iran on October 21, 2003, as the fi rst step toward
a larger deal. The logic of this approach is to give Iran what it
wants―U.S. recognition, lifting of U.S. sanctions, U.S. security
guarantees and, in time, withdrawal of U.S. military forces in the
Gulf and access to advanced technology and Western markets―
for what we want―an end to Iran’s dangerous nuclear activities,
a cut-off of support of terrorist organizations, and adherence
to agreed human rights strictures. But how long would it take
to conclude such a deal? How could one prevent Iran from
stringing the United States and its allies along until it acquired
all it needed to breakout with a nuclear arsenal? Given what Iran
could do covertly and the vast amounts of plutonium its power
reactors would be producing, how likely is any inspection,
including the IAEA’s new l992+3 inspection protocol, to detect
covert enrichment or reprocessing activities early enough to
prevent Iran’s speedy completion of a bomb? Could the current
government, which has already cheated on the NPT, be trusted
to deliver on its promises? How could any deal be cut without
it looking like a reward for Iran skirting the NPT? Would such
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a deal with the hard-line government undercut pro-American
democratic reformers by suggesting that America’s real interest
is geo-strategic realpolitik rather than support for liberalization?
How could a deal be squared with the Bush administration’s
declaration that past deals with Middle East autocrats fed anti-
Americanism and terrorism and that it is now in U.S. strategic
interests to transform the Middle East?

[Chavi]

I've begun following Ahmadinjead on Twitter.
http://twitter.com/M_Ahmadinejad (obvious fake)

some extracts:

"Great Satans! I'll never be impeached: I'm the only one who knows how to help Ayatollah log in to his AOL account."

"Congrats to the Iranian Census Bureau! 18 long months and many doors knocked upon and I can happily report: still no gays in Iran!"

"Ayatollah refuses to leave the house until I give him yet another enhanced pat down"

"Hey TSA, after you scan me tomorrow en route to #SFO can you ship the image to my physician? I have knee problems but can't afford MRI"

Btw @TrueLight - Wikileaks has revealed that Saudi Arabia were openly ordering the US to launch an attack on Iran, unlike Israel who kept eerily quiet on the entire issue. So much for "OMG Zionist/Jewish lobby inciting a war against Iran". I assume that you support the Saudis and the Iranians who fall in line with your worldview. This time you have to choose the lesser of two evils. #conflicofinterest

[Cthulhu]

I've begun following Ahmadinjead on Twitter.
http://twitter.com/M_Ahmadinejad (obvious fake)

some extracts:

"Great Satans! I'll never be impeached: I'm the only one who knows how to help Ayatollah log in to his AOL account."

"Congrats to the Iranian Census Bureau! 18 long months and many doors knocked upon and I can happily report: still no gays in Iran!"

"Ayatollah refuses to leave the house until I give him yet another enhanced pat down"

"Hey TSA, after you scan me tomorrow en route to #SFO can you ship the image to my physician? I have knee problems but can't afford MRI"

Btw @TrueLight - Wikileaks has revealed that Saudi Arabia were openly ordering the US to launch an attack on Iran, unlike Israel who kept eerily quiet on the entire issue. So much for "OMG Zionist/Jewish lobby inciting a war against Iran". I assume that you support the Saudis and the Iranians who fall in line with your worldview. This time you have to choose the lesser of two evils. #conflicofinterest

He always manages to bring the lols.

[TrueLight]

who said i support them?