Mother of 5 to be hanged for insulting Muhammed

[iffets12345]

iffets, what bomb is saying though is that  we cannot live as we do in their countries yet they expect to live as they do in ours! Im not supporting or disagreeing with this as i am all out of debating-energy..but please...


No more debates!

Lets leave this, shall we?

lol yea, that statement was just bothering me for a bit.

[bomb]

   We (as a society) need to get away from the idea that, while poking fun at Jesus/God is perfectly tolerable, similarly poking fun at Mohammed/Allah is a no-go area. I hope someone writes an Islamic Life of Brian and it plays in every major city in the West, to alter that status quo.

Thank you for saying this!

+100.

I make fun of every religion equally

This hypocrisy extends. Westeners are prosecuted for kissing in public in Dubai whereas Muslims feel like the have a right to their own schools, toilets etc here? Get fucked. lol.

Uhhh...I don't really want to get into this debate, but I just wanted to say something about your comparison:
The kissing in dubai offends people of that country.
Does wearing the burqa or having separate schools actually OFFEND you?

Actually it does. Muslims don't need special schools. I think a uni built an expensive prayer facility lately for Muslims - that money could be spend in increasing the quality of education of each and every student there? So yeah, that offends me.

Perhaps I didn't word it as well as I could have but yeah, what kotza said.

[MuggedByReality]

   We (as a society) need to get away from the idea that, while poking fun at Jesus/God is perfectly tolerable, similarly poking fun at Mohammed/Allah is a no-go area. I hope someone writes an Islamic Life of Brian and it plays in every major city in the West, to alter that status quo.

Thank you for saying this!

+100.

I make fun of every religion equally

This hypocrisy extends. Westeners are prosecuted for kissing in public in Dubai whereas Muslims feel like the have a right to their own schools, toilets etc here? Get fucked. lol.

Uhhh...I don't really want to get into this debate, but I just wanted to say something about your comparison:
The kissing in dubai offends people of that country.
Does wearing the burqa or having separate schools actually OFFEND you?

So we should decide whether something is overly offensive simply by whether people claim to be offended by it? Seems a rather vague and nebulous way of doing it.

[superstar1]

it is only common sense that when u go to a country you have to abide by their laws, if u cannot do that then it is best for you not to go at all. so why be angry at muslim countries when all they are doing is enforcing their laws.

[MuggedByReality]

it is only common sense that when u go to a country you have to abide by their laws, if u cannot do that then it is best for you not to go at all. so why be angry at muslim countries when all they are doing is enforcing their laws.

I wouldn't break a law in a Muslim country for the reason that I wouldn't want to find myself before a Sharia court  -not because I think it's right to criminalise an activity simply because it offends peoples' sensibilities.

[Kotza]

it is only common sense that when u go to a country you have to abide by their laws, if u cannot do that then it is best for you not to go at all. so why be angry at muslim countries when all they are doing is enforcing their laws.

You are totally missing the point.
He isnt saying that he wants to or would break the law in a muslim nation, or that them enforcing their laws is wrong, he is saying that if we cant kiss in public and undertake any other activities akin to this, then why should muslims get special treatment when coming to western countries like australia.

As you said it is "common sense" that you would abide by their laws, and of course it is, however it is the biggest case of double standards as even though they are not breaking any laws, they are creeping outside the norm and receiving benefits (burqas, taking valuable funding for mosques at uni's etc.) for simply being 'different.' Im not taking a side here just presenting the information delivered on this thread by posters.

Can this thread just be locked... its getting annoying lol

[superstar1]

yes and in Australia there is something called "democracy" and muslims are practicing their rights in a democratic copuntry. so why feel threatened when they wear a burqa or have a beard.

[Kotza]

You are asking the wrong person. I never said i have/had a problem with it.

oh and that also wasnt the issue... i guess the only thing someone can get pissed off at is if these people (not only speaking of arabs but all immigrants too) are kindly accepted by this nation of ours and then demand us to shift our norms, culture and values to fit their needs and criticize us for not.

That would annoy anyone.

[ninwa]

Can this thread just be locked... its getting annoying lol

So stop replying to it =.=

[QuantumJG]

Can this thread just be locked... its getting annoying lol

So stop replying to it =.=

[Kotza]

But the whole purpose of this site would be defeated if people's questions were not answered/replied to

lol im stopping now haha.

[MuggedByReality]

yes and in Australia there is something called "democracy" and muslims are practicing their rights in a democratic copuntry. so why feel threatened when they wear a burqa or have a beard.

I agree with that particular point; the burqa can evoke a "fear of the unknown". I think it should only be banned for security reasons, in places where you wouldn't be allowed to wear a balaclava or a motorcycle helmet either.

[taiga]

I think the crime shared by all religions is the fact that they have the ability to brainwash and blind youths from a young age, completely hindering their perception of the world and what is right or wrong. This thread itself exposes the impact it has had in our own backyard..

The people who passed these decisions in Pakistan exemplify the disastrous impact this can have. This goes for any religion.

Don't give me bullshit about right or wrong being completely derived from religion either. You don't need to read the Qur'an, Bible, Vedantic scripts, or the Torah to know such things.

[bomb]

yes and in Australia there is something called "democracy" and muslims are practicing their rights in a democratic copuntry. so why feel threatened when they wear a burqa or have a beard.

I don't feel threatened by anyone's beard thankyou.

That's like me coming to your house and telling your family to take off their shoes before they enter

[iffets12345]

it is only common sense that when u go to a country you have to abide by their laws, if u cannot do that then it is best for you not to go at all. so why be angry at muslim countries when all they are doing is enforcing their laws.

You are totally missing the point.
He isnt saying that he wants to or would break the law in a muslim nation, or that them enforcing their laws is wrong, he is saying that if we cant kiss in public and undertake any other activities akin to this, then why should muslims get special treatment when coming to western countries like australia.

As you said it is "common sense" that you would abide by their laws, and of course it is, however it is the biggest case of double standards as even though they are not breaking any laws, they are creeping outside the norm and receiving benefits (burqas, taking valuable funding for mosques at uni's etc.) for simply being 'different.' Im not taking a side here just presenting the information delivered on this thread by posters.

Can this thread just be locked... its getting annoying lol

..I can't really overcome the urge to respond to this. I get where both of you are coming from, superstar/kotza/muggedbyreality.

But when I said offend, I mean truly attacks your own personal values and morals. Us kissing in public, deeply offends them in such ways. But them getting an advantage with special treatment just evokes your outrage. I personally don't mind accomodating for them. They do need to pray at certain times and stuff and it's handy to have that facility for them. I just dislike that fact that it encourages them to be withdrawn in their own little world. But if they manage to mix with other non-muslim society then it should be alright. And I do agree, the bomb/security thing is a concern. Did they consent to letting female security check them?

And to that statement that something is offensive if someone claims it is: in this case yes, muslim people are extremely sensitive to their values presented to them by religion.

I just think that, yes, there are problems presented to us by the conventions of Muslim faith, and yes, we need to resolve this issues and can't be totally subservient to their needs in such a culturally diverse country, because that isn't fair. It's just trying to immediately modernise the way Muslims live in this society, with a NO U CANT DO THIS NO U CANT HAVE THIS STOP DOING THIS just aggravates the situation.