Mother of 5 to be hanged for insulting Muhammed

[QuantumJG]

I represent a group of modern people who do not fear to be questioned, do not fear to question, and will do absolutely everything we can to question everything. And we will harshly reject and criticize anything that we do not believe in. Because after that, whatever we believe in are unshakable truths, we do not require obedience to some law or adoption of some sort of deity, because it innately make sense to us. If you believe this is a form of hatred towards you and your people, shame on you.

Same!

[ninwa]

I cannot respect a religion which would put me to death for doing something I could never have intended, because, and I quote from you, I cannot possibly

know/understand of his meaning to us.

[Souljette_93]

Because you are not Muslim. You do not have the love and attachment to him as much as we do, nor do you know/understand of his meaning to us. It is clear hatred, pure,plain and simple.

Therefore, to us, drawing a picture of him cannot possibly represent hate speech if we do not understand this "love and attachment" Muslims feel. For those of us who do not believe, a picture of Muhammed is the same as a picture of Jesus, God, etc.

If we understood that attachment, and then deliberately drew a picture anyway, that MIGHT be considered hate speech. (Even so, that is a highly tenuous link.)

But you yourself have said we don't.

No I didn't, you're twisting my words. that doesn't give you an exception. You cannot draw him because it's hate speech against us, and as long as we view it as, then you are violating my beliefs. That way, you are only creating hatred, violence ( it will be there, trust me..whether it's accepted by Shariah or not, people will do it) and everything else that follows.

Why would you want to do that?

@SAM: Thank you I am proud of who I am.

[stonecold]

Just lock this thread.

It is clear that the discussion and debate is going nowhere.

[Souljette_93]

Yes we do, I see picture of Jesus in cartoons all the time. I see Moses all over Japanese cartoon. I don't see anyone trying to wipe Japan off the face of the earth.

But effectively, by allowing you into our society, respecting you means censoring ourselves. That is one of the core beliefs of modern western society, otherwise we wouldn't hear about Wikileaks on the news.

If I went to a muslim country, would they make changes to their core beliefs to accomodate me? I highly doubt the answer will be yes, but if the answer is no, by your own logic, you hate me and you do not respect me.

That doesn't mean it's right. Anybody who loves Jesus/Moses would not allow anyone to disgrace him.

We don't need to change our beliefs, it already has its ethics for Non-Muslim. You have the right to be treated the same, respected and so forth. Like any other human being. Many people went to the Middle east and just by the mannerism of the Muslim they accepted Islam. Have a look at Loon, who was a ex-rapper and entered Islam and was here just this past weekend.

[/0]

Because you are not Muslim. You do not have the love and attachment to him as much as we do, nor do you know/understand of his meaning to us. It is clear hatred, pure,plain and simple.

Therefore, to us, drawing a picture of him cannot possibly represent hate speech if we do not understand this "love and attachment" Muslims feel. For those of us who do not believe, a picture of Muhammed is the same as a picture of Jesus, God, etc.

If we understood that attachment, and then deliberately drew a picture anyway, that MIGHT be considered hate speech. (Even so, that is a highly tenuous link.)

But you yourself have said we don't.

No I didn't, you're twisting my words. that doesn't give you an exception. You cannot draw him because it's hate speech against us, and as long as we view it as, then you are violating my beliefs. That way, you are only creating hatred, violence ( it will be there, trust me..whether it's accepted by Shariah or not, people will do it) and everything else that follows.

Why would you want to do that?

@SAM: Thank you I am proud of who I am.

You know what, I think killing people based on what they say is hate. You cannot do that, because it's hate against humanity, and as long as we view it as, then you are violating my beliefs. That way, you are only creating hatred, violence and everything else that follows.

Why would you want to do that?



Now, tell me. Why should I respect your post if you don't respect mine?

[bomb]

haha no, you understood me differently, read what i said again. I meant even if the Shariah law was to be established, it would only apply for the Muslims who want to be ruled by it, which you can even find some Muslims not taking part of it. * this is based on an article I was reading before..

Would you accept if we went ahead and split every predominately Muslim country so we can have our own set of laws where women can romp around virtully naked?

People Islam will rule the world! It's inevitable

Admins might ban this guy, but theres a hint of truth to what he's saying.

[samiira]

Lets get one things clear. Pakistan does not implement Shariah! and the Shariah is against her being executed. The people have no right to kill her just for her statement, so the decision pakistan has made is not within Islam. Really it's things like this that give a bad impression of Islam, i for one am appalled.

Quran 6:151] "...... You shall not kill - GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. These are His commandments to you, that you may understand."

Book 019, Hadith Number 4320.

 Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) forbade the killing of women and children!!

Book 021, Hadith Number 010.

"I advise you ten things| Do not kill women or children or an aged, infirm person. Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees. Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty, and do not be cowardly."

[Souljette_93]

Nice way of putting it /0, but you are putting it in a general sense whilst I have narrowed it.

People can say what they say, so long it doesn't violate other people's belief, Or offend others, Or something that is just going to create problems.

I specifically said in the Case of Prophet Muhammed, Whilst you, and the rest of the forum, has generalised it to everything?

[Cthulhu]

Because you are not Muslim. You do not have the love and attachment to him as much as we do, nor do you know/understand of his meaning to us. It is clear hatred, pure,plain and simple.

Therefore, to us, drawing a picture of him cannot possibly represent hate speech if we do not understand this "love and attachment" Muslims feel. For those of us who do not believe, a picture of Muhammed is the same as a picture of Jesus, God, etc.

If we understood that attachment, and then deliberately drew a picture anyway, that MIGHT be considered hate speech. (Even so, that is a highly tenuous link.)

But you yourself have said we don't.

No I didn't, you're twisting my words. that doesn't give you an exception. You cannot draw him because it's hate speech against us, and as long as we view it as, then you are violating my beliefs. That way, you are only creating hatred, violence ( it will be there, trust me..whether it's accepted by Shariah or not, people will do it) and everything else that follows.

Why would you want to do that?

@SAM: Thank you I am proud of who I am.

What about all the depictions of Muhammed painted by persian and ottoman artists since the 19th century?
Is that self hate? Should all those paintings be destroyed?

[Souljette_93]

Never heard such things-and yes, if true, it should be destroyed.

[Souljette_93]

haha no, you understood me differently, read what i said again. I meant even if the Shariah law was to be established, it would only apply for the Muslims who want to be ruled by it, which you can even find some Muslims not taking part of it. * this is based on an article I was reading before..

You do realise, I was referring to the Shariah law being implemented here in Australia, and not generally?

[enwiabe]

TBH-it's not a harsh punishment

DEATH? HANGING A MOTHER OF 5 IS NOT A HARSH PUNISHMENT? A person just had their life taken from them, and five children are now without a mother and you say that's not harsh?

How can you be so cruel, so callous as to suggest that taking a person's life is not the harshest of punishments? That, ladies and gentlemen is 17 years of hatred bred into souljette. That kind of disconnect from empathy and human compassion can only be explained by her parents, her school, brainwashing her over the course of her life that blasphemers of Islam are not people. Or at least sub-human. That is the only way you can make people okay with such savage forms of punishment, by convincing people that the receivers of the punishment are sub-human. That they're not on an equal footing with "better" humans.

Because if a follower of Islam had been killed for something similar, you can bet she'd be upset and feeling all the compassion in the world for them. I hope you open your eyes one day, souljette, and look beyond what you're being fed. Because it is destroying your humanity to be forced into such an awful myopia.

These religion threads always depress me because I get to see how so many members have been brainwashed and, I would go so far as to say even emotionally abused, by their parents and authority figures. It's just so wrong that a 17 year old child could say that the death penalty is not a harsh punishment... It is the harshest of punishments.

[Cthulhu]

Never heard such things-and yes, if true, it should be destroyed.

Never mind that the Sunni muslims are the only ones that have the major issue with the depictions of Muhammed while the Shi'a muslims have a much more relaxed view of them and that these persian artists were Shi'a muslims?

When two different denominations of the same religion can't even get along with each other and agree on the same thing, thats when you know a religion is flawed.

[TrueLight]

The scholars of Islam have all agreed that anyone speaks offensively against the prophet is to be sentenced to death.

And it shouldn't be done under the banner of "free speech". Personally that's all a joke. You cannot have free speech that contains "hate speech". And speaking negatively about the prophet is purely based on hate, ignorance and bigotry.

i strongly disagree with this