Mother of 5 to be hanged for insulting Muhammed

[ninwa]

1) So you would be okay with murdering a mother of five for a few words. If that is how your religion works, I cannot possibly respect it as a "religion of peace".

2) You state that she should follow Pakistani law as she has chosen to live there. Therefore I say to you, you chose to live here, you must follow Australian law regardless of your religion. None of this double standard re: separate Shariah courts, please.

[Mao]

@MAO-is fady even Muslim? The way he speaks shows that he isn't, an Arab yes, but he will have to confirm it.

It doesn't matter, you claim that if she had insulted Mohammad, like how faded_dreams claimed, then she should be hanged. You agreed to her death sentence when you claim you did not support it.


Also, you still haven't answered my question.

[faded_dreams]

Exactly my poin

Additionally, the US has sentenced a Pakistani Muslim Mother of 3 to 86 years in prison because her husband was in some way related to terrorists acts and was tortured for 5 years in Afghanistan (without trial). Doubt any of you were even aware of this. Why? Because the western media is bias. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aafia_Siddiqui. Do you think this is fair?

Yes, for what she tried to do, she got what she deserved.

Exactly my point. The mother of 5 would not have been sentenced to death for solely denying or criticising the prophet.. there would've been a LOT more to the story that is unfortunately not being reported. Not that I am saying the sentence is correct but the entire story is not being reported.

And as for she got what she deserved. I have a profound disagreement here. Yes what she supposedly did was wrong.. but to be tortured physically and mentally for 5 years (24/7) in another country without trial in my opinion is not fair on anyone! At least the mother of 5 got a trial immediately.

[Souljette_93]

1) So you would be okay with murdering a mother of five for a few words. If that is how your religion works, I cannot possibly respect it as a "religion of peace".

2) You state that she should follow Pakistani law as she has chosen to live there. Therefore I say to you, you chose to live here, you must follow Australian law regardless of your religion. None of this double standard re: separate Shariah courts, please.

1) this woman, according to the article, didn't really.
2) I didn't say Pakistani, prove it, I said Caliphate. And as far as I am concerned, I am following the Australian Law.


@Mao-What was your Question, not really easy to catch up when you have everyone against you, and posts increasing.
..And it does matter whether Fady is Muslim or not, because that would have supported your claim against me.

I did not support her death as it did not show to me that she truly said something against the prophet, that's why.

[faded_dreams]

All the other murders of FBI etc was post being tortured in Afghanistan for 5 years.

[Mao]

Exactly my poin

Additionally, the US has sentenced a Pakistani Muslim Mother of 3 to 86 years in prison because her husband was in some way related to terrorists acts and was tortured for 5 years in Afghanistan (without trial). Doubt any of you were even aware of this. Why? Because the western media is bias. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aafia_Siddiqui. Do you think this is fair?

Yes, for what she tried to do, she got what she deserved.

Exactly my point. The mother of 5 would not have been sentenced to death for solely denying or criticising the prophet.. there would've been a LOT more to the story that is unfortunately not being reported. Not that I am saying the sentence is correct but the entire story is not being reported.

And as for she got what she deserved. I have profound disagreement here. Yes what she supposedly did was wrong.. but to be tortured physically and mentally for 5 years (24/7) in another country without trial in my opinion is not fair on anyone! At least the mother of 5 got a trial immediately.

Sorry, I clarify. No one deserves to be tortured, and it is most probably the torturing that had made her hate America so much that she attempted murder. She does however deserve life in prison for the role she played in 9/11. I agree that torture/jail without trial is not fair at all, and I blame American paranoia and arrogance for that. It is a giant fault with the system, though I think it's fairly well known for all of us that US fails in this kind of administration.

[TrueLight]

i find it very sad that you would be sentenced to death if your attacked the prophet. Now obviously im not muslim and dont adhere to that ideology but life is such a precious thing in Gods eyes but you would just take that away because someone attacks your prophet. i know this is a different example>Thats like the ultimate sin to kill someone and Jesus would definitely not kill someone for criticizing him, he would likely have mercy for him and pray for him. You don't help your cause by punishing them for attacking you. People should have the freedom to say what they like whether it is good or bad. Now lets say, i know this is not islam but just say some guy off the street goes to the Greek archbishop and yells how much he hates God and stomps on the cross in front of him, that is highly disrespectful and that person should be escorted away from the premise or if he isn't yelling, he would probably talk to him and he might call that a sin and prey for him but he wouldn't be put to death! that like going as low as the person who is criticizing him. Now my thoughts may have a few problems with it and im not very religious myself although i do believe in God and respect my own religion but i just vehemently disagree with sentencing someone to death for that, i don't believe thats what God or Jesus would do.    

[QuantumJG]

You do not know how much we preserve the human life. We are taught the value of life, and the importance of living in harmony and so on. Going on saying I have "disregard for life" is just another accusation against me. When did I ever say I wanted to kill anybody? That means that anyone from across the whole of the Abrahamic faiths who believe in the death penalty has "disregard for life"-by your logic.

First I want you to read this over and over till you can remember it back to front.

Then I want you to imagine 5 children motherless. Totally vulnerable to the world with no guidance or love from their mother because she's dead. The reason being because she "offended" someone who basically didn't even treat her as a human being. This someone The person she offended is a Muslim and her death will be at the hands of a Muslim.

Now read this again:

"You do not know how much we preserve the human life."

How do you expect any of us to believe you when you say this.

I may not be religious, but I believe a life is sacred.

The worst punishment I can think of is knowing that there exists people who don't regard the death penalty as a barbaric act that nobody deserves.

[Mao]

@Mao-What was your Question, not really easy to catch up when you have everyone against you, and posts increasing.
..And it does matter whether Fady is Muslim or not, because that would have supported your claim against me.

I did not support her death as it did not show to me that she truly said something against the prophet, that's why.

http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,34916.msg368572.html#msg368572 <-- that's my question.

And whether fady is muslim or not really doesn't matter. He asked the question "If she insulted Mohammad, should she die?" and you said "Yes". Where does him being Muslim come into it? Moreso, does it matter if that was a real situation? You supported the hypothetical killing of an innocent woman who insulted some guy in history, you are quite frankly delusional.

[bomb]

You do not know how much we preserve the human life. We are taught the value of life, and the importance of living in harmony and so on. Going on saying I have "disregard for life" is just another accusation against me. When did I ever say I wanted to kill anybody? That means that anyone from across the whole of the Abrahamic faiths who believe in the death penalty has "disregard for life"-by your logic.

First I want you to read this over and over till you can remember it back to front.

Then I want you to imagine 5 children motherless. Totally vulnerable to the world with no guidance or love from their mother because she's dead. The reason being because she "offended" someone who basically didn't even treat her as a human being. This someone is a Muslim and her death will be at the hands of a Muslim.

Now read this again:

"You do not know how much we preserve the human life."

How do you expect any of us to believe you when you say this.

I may not be religious, but I believe a life is sacred.

The worst punishment I can think of is knowing that there exists people who don't regard the death penalty as a barbaric act that nobody deserves.

The woman was christian dude, just clarifying.

[fady_22]

I also do not see what my religious beliefs have to do with this discussion.
For the record, I am not a Muslim. I am an Iraqi Catholic.

[ninwa]

2) I didn't say Pakistani, prove it, I said Caliphate. And as far as I am concerned, I am following the Australian Law.

Do you deliberately resort to pedantry so you can pretend to ignore my point? What does it matter whether it's the caliphate or Pakistan?

You say: she should follow the laws of the country she has chosen to live in.

Then you go on about how Muslims should have access to Shariah law in Australia.

Surely you can see the blind hypocrisy.

I say: suck it up, you chose to live here. I refuse to support a separate barbaric system of law in this country.

[faded_dreams]

You do not know how much we preserve the human life. We are taught the value of life, and the importance of living in harmony and so on. Going on saying I have "disregard for life" is just another accusation against me. When did I ever say I wanted to kill anybody? That means that anyone from across the whole of the Abrahamic faiths who believe in the death penalty has "disregard for life"-by your logic.

First I want you to read this over and over till you can remember it back to front.

Then I want you to imagine 5 children motherless. Totally vulnerable to the world with no guidance or love from their mother because she's dead. The reason being because she "offended" someone who basically didn't even treat her as a human being. This someone is a Muslim and her death will be at the hands of a Muslim.

Now read this again:

"You do not know how much we preserve the human life."

How do you expect any of us to believe you when you say this.

I may not be religious, but I believe a life is sacred.

The worst punishment I can think of is knowing that there exists people who don't regard the death penalty as a barbaric act that nobody deserves.

The woman was christian dude, just clarifying.

What's her being Christian got to do with it? Islam believes everyone is equal. You can't allow a few irrational group of people's interpretation of the religion to represent it. Islam itself is a peaceful religion, however the majority of people just believe everything the media says and never goes and studies the religion itself. The word Islam means peace.

Read below:

Allah (S.W.T.) says in surat Al-Hujurat, (verse 13), what be translated as, "O Mankind! We have created you from a male and female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honorable of you in the sight of Allah is he who has most taqwa among of you. Verily, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware."

With this verse, Islam declares equality among people, that is because Islam respect a human for being a human not for any other reason; Islam dose not distinguish between two races, or two groups of people, or between two colors, and the prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) addressed the people signifying that concept during the last pilgrimage, saying: "O People! Your God is one; your father is one; no preference of an Arab neither over non-Arab nor of a non-Arab over an Arab or red over black or black over red except for the most righteous. Verily the most honored of you is the most righteous."

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I wonder, Souljette, if someone on this forum slandered Mohammed, would you wish death upon them? Would you be willing to kill someone for criticizing Mohammed?

[samiira]

My views are that the women should not be killed. What ever your views be jst keep it to ur self.. It seems as if this thread is going no where. I believe we all have a life to get on with.  So i suggest it shud end here.