How to get into Medicine

[aznboy50]

Russ, do you have any info on what that UMAT cut-off is likely to be?

Would that UMAT cut-off change for the different undergraduate degrees?


What exactly is 50/50/50?

Is this 50 marks out of a possible 70?

[Russ]

No, I stopped keeping track of UMAT cutoffs for interstate universities after I finished high school. Someone else will have a better idea though.

50/50/50 is your "score", which is determined by considering your percentile rank. There's a sigmoidal graph that you use to work it out, and it changes every year. A score of 50 is roughly the 60th percentile.

[happyhappyland]

Russ, do you have any info on what that UMAT cut-off is likely to be?

Would that UMAT cut-off change for the different undergraduate degrees?


What exactly is 50/50/50?

Is this 50 marks out of a possible 70?

Theres no highest possible mark for the UMAT. Its scoring system is a mystery but it is a very steep graph curve. 59 is around 90%.

[aznboy50]

It all seems so tight, 50 is around 60% and 59 around 90%, so 9 marks decide your future, hardly fair!

[Russ]

They're not marks, getting one extra question right won't improve your score from 50 to 51.

If you actually want to know how it works, google "item theory response"

[aznboy50]

If I were to do BScience/MBBS at University of Queensland, after my two year science degree, would I be able to sit the GAMSAT and attempt entry at post-grad Melbourne/Monash medicine? Obviously, if unsuccesful, I would stay in QLD, if succesful, could come back home.

[vexx]

If I were to do BScience/MBBS at University of Queensland, after my two year science degree, would I be able to sit the GAMSAT and attempt entry at post-grad Melbourne/Monash medicine? Obviously, if unsuccesful, I would stay in QLD, if succesful, could come back home.

I actually asked this, since i thought it'd be a good idea.

They said that "you would have to decline your provisional Year 12 place before submitting your graduate entry application" so no it's not possible.
Besides you need to have at least a 3 year degree to apply to unimelb's MD program, and even if you extended your undergrad for provisional (is possible), applying for graduate gets rid of your provisional entry.

[stonecold]

Yeah, vexx is right.  They will not let you take provisional entry and then try to go elsewhere.  Your provisional will be revoked.

Also, you can't defer a place (if it is allowed) then try for at med for another uni.

[aznboy50]

Ok. In terms of internship. How likely would it be that I could come back to Victoria. I wouldn't mind spending 6 years of my life in Queensland, but add on 3 for internship + residency. Then pg would assume your specialist training would also be done there, you quickly find yourself spending 10-15 years there!

[stonecold]

Ok. In terms of internship. How likely would it be that I could come back to Victoria. I wouldn't mind spending 6 years of my life in Queensland, but add on 3 for internship + residency. Then pg would assume your specialist training would also be done there, you quickly find yourself spending 10-15 years there!

I think they allocate X number of spots for interstaters.

i.e.  At the Alfred, it is 12.

http://www.alfred.org.au/Page.aspx?ID=82

[aznboy50]

I mean if you spend a decade in another state, I think you would find it hard to come back to Melbourne. You would have friends/wife and a job/house. I really dont want to be so ear away from my family for my whole life yet Id do anything to get into medicine.

[stonecold]

I mean if you spend a decade in another state, I think you would find it hard to come back to Melbourne. You would have friends/wife and a job/house. I really dont want to be so ear away from my family for my whole life yet Id do anything to get into medicine.

Yeah, I know where you are coming from.  I believe internship for GPs is only 1 year, then you go to the RACGP for your felowship.

Here are a few post grad medical colleges which have loads of info on fees, application, training duaration etc.

http://www.surgeons.org/ (surgeon)
http://www.racgp.org.au/ (doctor)
http://www.anzca.edu.au/ (anesthetist)
http://www.ranzcp.org/ (psychiatrist)
http://www.ranzcog.edu.au/ (obstetricians and gynaecologists)
http://www.ranzco.edu/ (opthamologist)
http://www.dermcoll.asn.au/ (dermatologist)

You may also want to read this:
http://www.surgeons.org/media/12931/medical_education_anz.pdf

[echenzi]

Hmm thanks for the info.

For me i would move interstate but the main concern is really whether i am able to take care of myself.

Also don't want to be a financial burden on parents.. So staying in melb would be an option..

But yes, if Medicine is your dream than do chase it. Friends and family here would be proud?

[stonecold]

Hmm thanks for the info.

For me i would move interstate but the main concern is really whether i am able to take care of myself.

Also don't want to be a financial burden on parents.. So staying in melb would be an option..

But yes, if Medicine is your dream than do chase it. Friends and family here would be proud?

Yeah, although to be brutally honest, there aren't very many med opportunities in Victoria, so odds are you will have to move at some point.

Monash Undergrad is probably the most competitive direct undergrad entry in the country.  UTAS and Flinders are also very difficult for interstate school leavers though.

Then, there is graduate, which comprises of the MD at UoM (which will increase in competition by the time we can apply) and also MBBS at Monash and Deakin.  

It is rather slim pickings, and will take at least 7 years via graduate entry pathway here, IF you get in.  Moreover, from numerous posts I've read on MSO and pagingdr, they all say a med degree is virtually the same wherever you go.

Lots more opportunities interstate however. QLD has 3 undergrad/provisional Unis, NSW has 3, and SA has 2.

Even UTAS is a better option, because you can transfer into med there after one year of science or similar.  Monash does not allow this.

By all means go for Monash, but if you don't get in, then it will make things harder.

I suppose it depends how much you want to do med.  Either go interstate or risk 3 years on a science/biomed degree to get into grad med.

[Andiio]

Hmm thanks for the info.

For me i would move interstate but the main concern is really whether i am able to take care of myself.

Also don't want to be a financial burden on parents.. So staying in melb would be an option..

But yes, if Medicine is your dream than do chase it. Friends and family here would be proud?

Yeah, although to be brutally honest, there aren't very many med opportunities in Victoria, so odds are you will have to move at some point.

Monash Undergrad is probably the most competitive direct undergrad entry in the country.  UTAS and Flinders are also very difficult for interstate school leavers though.

Then, there is graduate, which comprises of the MD at UoM (which will increase in competition by the time we can apply) and also MBBS at Monash and Deakin. 

It is rather slim pickings, and will take at least 7 years via graduate entry pathway here, IF you get in.  Moreover, from numerous posts I've read on MSO and pagingdr, they all say a med degree is virtually the same wherever you go.

Lots more opportunities interstate however. QLD has 3 undergrad/provisional Unis, NSW has 3, and SA has 2.

Even UTAS is a better option, because you can transfer into med there after one year of science or similar.  Monash does not allow this.

By all means go for Monash, but if you don't get in, then it will make things harder.

I suppose it depends how much you want to do med.  Either go interstate or risk 3 years on a science/biomed degree to get into grad med.

What actually happens if you 'fail' to meet the requirements of the GPA and the GAMSAT? What do you do then? gg life