What happened to the Religion / Society thread... Vote...

[ninwa]

Anybody who shitposts in the religion thread gets permanently banned?

Only those posting excessively bigoted / shit-stirring stuff and usually not permanent (unless its an account exclusively created to post rubbish)

Anyway, nobody's given a single good reason for creating a new board so I'm going to pass on it for now

[Russ]

has anyone noticed my sig, or tryed googling it?


"I am the city of knowledge and Ali is its gate" - Muhammed (pbuh&c)

"Seek Knowledge, even if it is as far as China" - Imam Ali (AS) - 2nd greatest man who lived.

No...should we be?

[Respect]

has anyone noticed my sig, or tryed googling it?


"I am the city of knowledge and Ali is its gate" - Muhammed (pbuh&c)

"Seek Knowledge, even if it is as far as China" - Imam Ali (AS) - 2nd greatest man who lived.

No...should we be?

just saying. it is sorta relijion related , but yeah

[Ghost!]

has anyone noticed my sig, or tryed googling it?


"I am the city of knowledge and Ali is its gate" - Muhammed (pbuh&c)

"Seek Knowledge, even if it is as far as China" - Imam Ali (AS) - 2nd greatest man who lived.

Yeah, I've noticed it. Don't really think that it has a place on a VCE forum.

[boysenberry]

Yeah, I've noticed it. Don't really think that it has a place on a VCE forum.

Are we banning anything related to religion on VN?
Coz, it sounds a bit harsh, just like the burqa ban in France.
What happened to freedom of speech?

edit: I mean as long as it's not hate speech then I don't see any problem with it.
If we did have a religion/society subforum, I think we should also add "no hate speech" in the forum rules page (the one every member has to read before registering) with permanent banning or something along those lines to anyone who breaks these rules. I don't see how it could not work out.

[ninwa]

Nobody's banning anything, you're free to go start religion threads :\ there's just barely any activity here let alone enough religion-related threads to warrant a whole subforum dedicated to it

[Ghost!]

Yeah, I've noticed it. Don't really think that it has a place on a VCE forum.

Are we banning anything related to religion on VN?
Coz, it sounds a bit harsh, just like the burqa ban in France.
What happened to freedom of speech?

edit: I mean as long as it's not hate speech then I don't see any problem with it.
If we did have a religion/society subforum, I think we should also add "no hate speech" in the forum rules page (the one every member has to read before registering) with permanent banning or something along those lines to anyone who breaks these rules. I don't see how it could not work out.

No one is banned from discussion on religion, like ninwa said. I just don't see the appeal in raising religion on a forum that's main ideal is to help students with their VCE problems, and open up discussion between students about life spent studying.

[boysenberry]

Nobody's banning anything, you're free to go start religion threads :\ there's just barely any activity here let alone enough religion-related threads to warrant a whole subforum dedicated to it

Year 12 is such a depressing time for many VCE/IB/VCAL students. I think because of all the studying/working and just general distractions in life people nowadays often just forget the role that religion plays to living a good life for a lot of people.

I think most people need to believe in something spiritual even if the institution that is providing a person with this belief is a false religion. Opening a religion/society subforum on VN would certainly cater for those people out there that are more open-minded to the supernatural/spiritual world and are just seeking some answers to better their life. There are people who believe that science will never answer all of humanity's questions and hence this will naturally force and draw them to have faith in the legitimacy of a scientically unproven religion.

Also, I disagree in the notion that there's a lack of interest in religion on VN. Sure there are a lot of people out there who were not raised in a religious household and as a result are ignorant about the world's major religions and of the people who do follow these faiths however this does not mean that people are not interested in learning about these religions, asking philosophical questions as well as those involving ethics, perhaps to even find out if something is missing in their own lives. This would certainly create dialogue between people of different faiths and spread tolerance and open-mindedness.

Based on the polling so far, there seems to also be some demand for a Religion/Society subforum. Why should these people be denied the right to voice their opinions/questions? Though at the same time I think only certain types of questions should be allowed to be asked. In some religion forums, they also have this thing where once a member posts a thread a moderator has to check and read it before validating it to allow other members to see it. Maybe we could adopt a similar move considering the sensitive/emotional issues revolving religion.

[Russ]

Based on the polling so far, there seems to also be some demand for a Religion/Society subforum. Why should these people be denied the right to voice their opinions/questions? Though at the same time I think only certain types of questions should be allowed to be asked. In some religion forums, they also have this thing where once a member posts a thread a moderator has to check and read it before validating it to allow other members to see it. Maybe we could adopt a similar move considering the sensitive/emotional issues revolving religion.

It's not the thread topics that are the issue, it's the fact that they predominantly devolve into crap. As has been said, if you want to start a discussion about religion you're free to try it

[ninwa]

boyseberry why do you need a specific forum to start such a thread? I will consider making the board if and when there are sufficient (civil) threads on the topic to justify it.

[boysenberry]

boyseberry why do you need a specific forum to start such a thread? I will consider making the board if and when there are sufficient (civil) threads on the topic to justify it.

ninwa, I think the problem why there aren't that many threads to do with religion is because there is currently no Religion/Society subforum on VN. People don't feel that VN is accomodating such discussions to the people who are interested in participating. That's why we won't see threads to do with religion unless a specific subforum is created to accomodate for the need. Also, people seem to be unsure where to post religion threads as it doesn't seem to fit well in any of the current existing subforums.

[Eriny]

^ I don't think that's true. Heaps of discussions about religion have happened before without a specific subforum. Additionally, there is also space for it in 'other general discussion', I don't think AN seems actively unreceptive to threads of that nature.

[ninwa]

ninwa, I think the problem why there aren't that many threads to do with religion is because there is currently no Religion/Society subforum on VN. People don't feel that VN is accomodating such discussions to the people who are interested in participating. That's why we won't see threads to do with religion unless a specific subforum is created to accomodate for the need. Also, people seem to be unsure where to post religion threads as it doesn't seem to fit well in any of the current existing subforums.

This in just the latest six pages of the news/politics forum and ~10 pages of OGD (and only ones whose titles suggest religious content - this is not including all the threads which have mysteriously gone off-topic to religious subjects. Also note I didn't even bother going into rants/debate):
http://atarnotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,29042.0.html
http://atarnotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,30485.0.html
http://atarnotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,34388.0.html
http://atarnotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,34904.0.html
http://atarnotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,23560.msg239752.html#msg239752
http://atarnotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,34916.0.html
http://atarnotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,34885.0.html
http://atarnotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,33510.msg348196.html#msg348196
http://atarnotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,34511.0.html
http://atarnotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,34312.0.html
http://atarnotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,34317.0.html
http://atarnotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,28362.0.html
http://atarnotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,28091.msg289014.html#msg289014
http://atarnotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,25176.0.html

interestingly, http://atarnotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,34953.0.html

and of course, the famous http://atarnotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,421.msg7385.html#msg7385

I seriously cannot be bothered going through every page of every subforum, but I think you get the point.

[chrisjb]

interestingly, http://atarnotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,34953.0.html

I felt like there was a general support for a new board in this thread.

[ninwa]

When and if there is more activity in the Water Cooler, then I will consider it. Unfortunately, people seem to have forgotten about this place. An empty forum just creates clutter.

Make a thread for Water Cooler awareness in Gen VCE Discussion or something if you want.