Muhammed mentioned in the Bible and Torah.

[Respect]

He will come as a man, not as a Prophet

I don't get it..what do you mean?

>1000's post<

he means the jeasus(AS) will not come and say im the last prophet...

[Jerry_Stevenson]

Yes that's right, any other questions your unsure with?

Yes I do.
Is it true that Muslims believe that of all the descendents of Adam who have ever lived and existed, 99 out of every 100 will go to Hell in the Afterlife?

And for the sake of argument hypothetically, let’s say that you’re right, that the one and only Abrahamic God (no trinity) somehow really does exist and that somehow Islam is the one true religion and that the Bible had originally been the word of God however that it got corrupted over time. If this is really the case why do you think He would let so many people go astray? How is this fair?
I know many good people on ATARnotes who donate to charity and live their life through helping people, why should they be denied the privilege of going to Heaven? And furthermore why is it so important to believe in the existence of God and the legitimacy of the prophet Mohammed? How do you know he wasn’t just a regular person and was just lying about all this stuff (no offence)?

[Respect]

Yes that's right, any other questions your unsure with?

Yes I do.
Is it true that Muslims believe that of all the descendents of Adam who have ever lived and existed, 99 out of every 100 will go to Hell in the Afterlife?

And for the sake of argument hypothetically, let’s say that you’re right, that the one and only Abrahamic God (no trinity) somehow really does exist and that somehow Islam is the one true religion and that the Bible had originally been the word of God however that it got corrupted over time. If this is really the case why do you think He would let so many people go astray? How is this fair?
I know many good people on ATARnotes who donate to charity and live their life through helping people, why should they be denied the privilege of going to Heaven? And furthermore why is it so important to believe in the existence of God and the legitimacy of the prophet Mohammed? How do you know he wasn’t just a regular person and was just lying about all this stuff (no offence)?

Good question .
Well as a muslim i cant really judge who goes hell and who goes heaven. But if you deny the exsistance of the creator then I think you'd be going to hell. But I mean honestly, how can someone deny the exsistance of the creator, how'd we all come into exsistance ..say big bang for example.. then how was everything designed, who made the first particle..

so u agree theirs a creator. right.

Also u said about the people some being good people and going to hell ... well i can't really tell u, its unclear.. but some people are going to hell and others to heaven depending on their actions what they did, etc... btw i'm referring this in the sence that people believe in god, such as a relijion like judaism or christainity, and practice their relijion and pray and give charity etc... but people who deny the exsistance of god, its hard to say what happens to them, but i presume hell.

No one is denyied the prevalge of going to heaven, except the ignorant, i've told some aethist freinds of mine,.."dude believe in one god".. but they dont want to, they think they'll die and it all ends.. (ofcouse not..theirs something after death, then whats the point of this life?) .. muslims believe that this life is to worship god, and to be good to people etc.. (terrorism is nothing to do with islam... its just incorrect interpretation of verses of quotes from the prophet and the several quran verses)

And about ur last point that Muhammed was a regular person, well their were signs of prophethood in him.. the first of this was the book the quran, it was written in such a complex arabic scripture that everyone at the time knew it was not something a human could do. for more visit ; http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=61
^ he also had several miracles...

also i want to ask u som questions; tell me

if god doesnt exsist, how designed the universe, a plant, photothensis's, how our body works etc...

why are we living now?... for what purpose?
what happens when we die?
would someone who killed hundreds thousands if not millions like hitler or saddam, or osama, go to heaven (i'd say unfair)

i'm actually happy ur discussing this with me .. i like to see people interested more in the truth.

also, if theirs a relijion better than islam, please tell me, interested to check it out.

[Mao]

But I mean honestly, how can someone deny the exsistance of the creator, how'd we all come into exsistance ..say big bang for example.. then how was everything designed, who made the first particle..

so u agree theirs a creator. right.

If the Big Bang requires a designer, then by the same logic, the 'creator' must also come from somewhere/someone. Who created the creator?

And since you are going to respond with 'the creator doesn't need to be created', the big bang doesn't necessarily need to be created either. It is after all just another theory, a kind of 'scientific faith' if you must put a religious spin to it.

if god doesnt exsist, how designed the universe, a plant, photothensis's, how our body works etc...

Natural selection. Darwinism. Examples can be seen in everyday life. We used to throw sticks a few thousand years ago. These days we run around with billions of transistors in our pockets. Technology, like biological life, simply evolves.

why are we living now?... for what purpose?

Existence doesn't imply purpose. Our existence, just like that fly I squashed, may be equally purposeless. Why does it matter?

what happens when we die?

Our material body stops functioning, and chemistry signals stop in our brain. What happens when you turn off a computer? (it just stops, nothing special)

[Truck]

Yes that's right, any other questions your unsure with?

Yes I do.
Is it true that Muslims believe that of all the descendents of Adam who have ever lived and existed, 99 out of every 100 will go to Hell in the Afterlife?

And for the sake of argument hypothetically, let’s say that you’re right, that the one and only Abrahamic God (no trinity) somehow really does exist and that somehow Islam is the one true religion and that the Bible had originally been the word of God however that it got corrupted over time. If this is really the case why do you think He would let so many people go astray? How is this fair?
I know many good people on ATARnotes who donate to charity and live their life through helping people, why should they be denied the privilege of going to Heaven? And furthermore why is it so important to believe in the existence of God and the legitimacy of the prophet Mohammed? How do you know he wasn’t just a regular person and was just lying about all this stuff (no offence)?

Good question .
Well as a muslim i cant really judge who goes hell and who goes heaven. But if you deny the exsistance of the creator then I think you'd be going to hell. But I mean honestly, how can someone deny the exsistance of the creator, how'd we all come into exsistance ..say big bang for example.. then how was everything designed, who made the first particle..

so u agree theirs a creator. right.

Also u said about the people some being good people and going to hell ... well i can't really tell u, its unclear.. but some people are going to hell and others to heaven depending on their actions what they did, etc... btw i'm referring this in the sence that people believe in god, such as a relijion like judaism or christainity, and practice their relijion and pray and give charity etc... but people who deny the exsistance of god, its hard to say what happens to them, but i presume hell.

No one is denyied the prevalge of going to heaven, except the ignorant, i've told some aethist freinds of mine,.."dude believe in one god".. but they dont want to, they think they'll die and it all ends.. (ofcouse not..theirs something after death, then whats the point of this life?) .. muslims believe that this life is to worship god, and to be good to people etc.. (terrorism is nothing to do with islam... its just incorrect interpretation of verses of quotes from the prophet and the several quran verses)

And about ur last point that Muhammed was a regular person, well their were signs of prophethood in him.. the first of this was the book the quran, it was written in such a complex arabic scripture that everyone at the time knew it was not something a human could do. for more visit ; http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=61
^ he also had several miracles...

also i want to ask u som questions; tell me

if god doesnt exsist, how designed the universe, a plant, photothensis's, how our body works etc...

why are we living now?... for what purpose?
what happens when we die?
would someone who killed hundreds thousands if not millions like hitler or saddam, or osama, go to heaven (i'd say unfair)

i'm actually happy ur discussing this with me .. i like to see people interested more in the truth.

also, if theirs a relijion better than islam, please tell me, interested to check it out.

I'm of the belief that God wouldn't care how much time you spend praying in "x" religion regardless of which form he manifests, because think about this realistically - the majority of people are born into a religion and only believe in it because of their upbringing. I could've been a devout Hindu had I been born into that family, so surely God wouldn't make such a heavy decision on whether or not a person will ROT IN HELL FOR ETERNITY based on something that is so much chance? If you're saying the ignorant go to hell, than you're saying a good person who has done good things all his or her life will go to hell just because they're an atheist, which I think is just plain wrong.

Therefore religion doesn't matter, whether or not you're atheist wouldn't matter, it all comes down to living a good life and being a good person. That's of course assuming there is a God in the way we believe he shows himself, which I don't even think is probable.

A religion better than Islam? Pretty ignorant question tbh. No religion is "better" than another, they're all ways for people to find meaning in their lives... I suppose the only "bad" examples of religion would be the fundamentalist strains, such as Extremist Islam and Evangelical Christians - but I'm still hesitant to use the term 'worse' as they're both really just examples of humanity's ability to become more and more retarded, regardless of religion or not.

If you really want an awesome religion though... http://www.venganza.org/

[enwiabe]

Yeah, they're all just fairytales, anyway. Stop worrying about god and go and enjoy your lives! You'll be all the better for it.

[boysenberry]

Yeah, they're all just fairytales, anyway. Stop worrying about god and go and enjoy your lives! You'll be all the better for it.

Hey, enwiabe, are you an atheist?

[enwiabe]

Yeah, they're all just fairytales, anyway. Stop worrying about god and go and enjoy your lives! You'll be all the better for it.

Hey, enwiabe, are you an atheist?

Yep, and proud of it

[Souljette_93]

^ Thought you were an agnostic...

[enwiabe]

^ Thought you were an agnostic...

Agnostic is a very ambiguous term. I'd be more accurately described as an agnostic atheist. I certainly don't actively believe in any of the pitiful fairy stories of the theistic religions going around today, but I won't discount the possibility that there is -a- god because we haven't yet discovered the answer to our origins.

In the absence of a clear cut answer, however, I refuse to guess.

[slothpomba]

Hi, i was watching this video on youtube the otherday, and it was quiet instresting, saying that Muhammed was mentioned in the bible and the torah.

I'm not sure why this should matter all that much.

A large proportion of the world is neither Christian nor Jewish.

This kind of statement would mean nothing to the 1 billion Hindu's, the 500 million Buddhists, the 30 million sihks (which is roughly double the number of Jewish people in the world), ect.

how can someone deny the exsistance of the creator, how'd we all come into existence ..Say big bang for example.. then how was everything designed, who made the first particle..

There are other many reasonable laws to explain how we got here. Comparative religion and religion in general is one of my other interests so I’m well versed in many of the arguments from both sides and the theology of the major world religions. I'd just like to say if you follow that logic, that everything was designed and it must of been because it is so perfect, why do things exhibit poor design?

We have no major discovered need for our appendix and yet it is there. If god is all powerful (Omnipotent) surely he could of made our body function without an organ like this. Another example is the certain thing women go through every month, in many other animals this happens internally and causes much less problems.  Why do some people have genetic diseases or poorer eyesight than others, surely these things could of been perfectly designed around by an omnipotent being.

I would also like to point out the fact that, yes, maybe someone did "need to make the first particle". However, it is just as logical to assume many gods (Pantheon) could of also done this, so this doesn't really serve as proof for any of the particular Abrahamic faiths of one god and one only (Monotheism).

No one is denyied the prevalge of going to heaven, except the ignorant, i've told some aethist freinds of mine,..

I think the Qur’an suggests only those who have heard about Islam and still rejected it go to hell (Jahannam). That said it is a little unfair, Islam has a conception of a particular sin called "Shirk" or worshiping many gods (eg. Being a polytheism, like most modern Hindus). As far as I am aware, while, if you are a bad Muslim it might be possible to get out of "hell" eventually, the polytheists are doomed to stay in hell forever. In some particular sources i have read it is said that this is the one sin that not even god can forgive. I think this is a product of the time when Islam was revealed. During the period when the Quran was "revealed" or some say just written by humans, Muhammad and his people were at war with the polytheists of the local area of Mecca. Read into it what you will..

[TheMustardTiger]

Yeah, they're all just fairytales, anyway. Stop worrying about god and go and enjoy your lives! You'll be all the better for it.

Enwiabe, a very foolish comment to make considering you are held in high regards within the atar notes community.

[Souljette_93]

 If god is all powerful (Omnipotent) surely he could of made our body function without an organ like this.

Heys, We believe in a God that does as He pleases. Your questioning of "if" kind of implies that He is not able to do it, which is not true, God can create us utterly perfect or utterly deficient, such power is only to Him.

Another example is the certain thing women go through every month, in many other animals this happens internally and causes much less problems.  Why do some people have genetic diseases or poorer eyesight than others, surely these things could of been perfectly designed around by an omnipotent being.

Of course these things could be designed by the Omnipotent Being! You are missing the point-all these things contain wisdoms in it which sometimes we humans will never understand or realise, or even concealed as it's a test/trial that humans can face-why is there suffering? why do innocent people die? How come I'm Asian, and he's European??

All these, and the questions you set, are all from the wisdom of God..it's up to you to accept it or not.

I would also like to point out the fact that, yes, maybe someone did "need to make the first particle". However, it is just as logical to assume many gods (Pantheon) could of also done this, so this doesn't really serve as proof for any of the particular Abrahamic faiths of one god and one only (Monotheism).

I have no idea of this "pantheon" but if he is an idol or a human then you know it wasn't him..( and I don't want to get into this debate about whether God is human or not)


[/quote]

I think the Qur’an suggests only those who have heard about Islam and still rejected it go to hell (Jahannam). That said it is a little unfair, Islam has a conception of a particular sin called "Shirk" or worshiping many gods (eg. Being a polytheism, like most modern Hindus). As far as I am aware, while, if you are a bad Muslim it might be possible to get out of "hell" eventually, the polytheists are doomed to stay in hell forever. In some particular sources i have read it is said that this is the one sin that not even god can forgive. I think this is a product of the time when Islam was revealed. During the period when the Quran was "revealed" or some say just written by humans, Muhammad and his people were at war with the polytheists of the local area of Mecca. Read into it what you will..

Wouldn't that signify weakness? Wouldn't that contradict What is Islam is teaching?
God can forgive, however chose not to forgive those who die on "Shirk"

Anyway, it's not really up to you or any other human to say what's fair or not, if the Verdict is from The Creator, for God is all Just and all Fair, and this in itself, is the teaching of the Quran.

I really don't know what's your belief and I know that you will disagree with me, but at the end of the day, I have my belief and you have yours.

[bomb]

But I mean honestly, how can someone deny the exsistance of the creator, how'd we all come into exsistance ..say big bang for example.. then how was everything designed, who made the first particle..

so u agree theirs a creator. right.

If the Big Bang requires a designer, then by the same logic, the 'creator' must also come from somewhere/someone. Who created the creator?

And since you are going to respond with 'the creator doesn't need to be created', the big bang doesn't necessarily need to be created either. It is after all just another theory, a kind of 'scientific faith' if you must put a religious spin to it.

if god doesnt exsist, how designed the universe, a plant, photothensis's, how our body works etc...

Natural selection. Darwinism. Examples can be seen in everyday life. We used to throw sticks a few thousand years ago. These days we run around with billions of transistors in our pockets. Technology, like biological life, simply evolves.

why are we living now?... for what purpose?

Existence doesn't imply purpose. Our existence, just like that fly I squashed, may be equally purposeless. Why does it matter?

what happens when we die?

Our material body stops functioning, and chemistry signals stop in our brain. What happens when you turn off a computer? (it just stops, nothing special)

Mao, a religious debate is no place for logical and reasonable arguments

[Truck]

Discussing religion with religious people is such a frustrating exercise, urgh. We really should try avoid these threads, it really never ends well.