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[funkyducky]

Studying a lote really is difficult, please don't belittle the efforts of those of us who are learning a lote. Unlike other vce subjects, the sky's the limit when it comes to how much you need to know for the exam, it's really a long continuous learning process that's far more complex than most others.

[vexx]

Studying a lote really is difficult, please don't belittle the efforts of those of us who are learning a lote. Unlike other vce subjects, the sky's the limit when it comes to how much you need to know for the exam, it's really a long continuous learning process that's far more complex than most others.

yes studying a LOTE is difficult, but considering how much some of them are scaled - there are a large number of people who chose LOTES for an "easy" high score purely based on the scaling -

[REBORN]

^ Exactly...scaling is designed such that all subjects are 'equal'. Obviously this is is not perfect but it works well enough...

A 50 in LOTE, say chinese is achieved by a 43 RAW whereas in Psychology you need a 50 RAW where a 43 would be a ...43.

Scaling makes the whole system 'fair'...

NB - I'm not agreeing about the +5 to LOTE...no idea what it's on....but scaling makes things equal so you can't say a 50 in LOTE is more complex than a 50 in Psych because they're supposedly EQUAL!

WTF? something happened and it double posted. someone delete the previous one pls?

[eeps]

Studying a lote really is difficult, please don't belittle the efforts of those of us who are learning a lote. Unlike other vce subjects, the sky's the limit when it comes to how much you need to know for the exam, it's really a long continuous learning process that's far more complex than most others.

please explain how i belittled anyone. I am simply saying, the way the scaling system has been set up, it should already compensate for 'harder or easier' subjects and the strength of the cohort. you cannot claim languages are necessarily 'far more complex' than most other subjects,just because what you need to know is not clearly  defined. Biology is like that, yet few consider Biology one of the 'toughest subjects' and the scaling reflects that.

all i have been saying is that adding 5 extra scaling is not fair to those not doing a LOTE.

The difference between studying a LOTE and mainstream VCE subjects are vastly different. With LOTEs such as Chinese, French, Indonesian etc. in most cases there are endless vocabulary, grammar to learn/know. That's what makes LOTEs "more complex" in that regard; whereas you wouldn't get that with mainstream VCE subjects. For example, the knowledge in subjects such as Chemistry, Legal Studies primarily comes from the textbook. I'm studying Latin this year and I would say it's the most time-consuming subject out of all my subjects.

I was told from my school's VCE co-ordinator that the "+5 scaling" was put in place to encourage students to undertake LOTEs rather than just choose the normal science or maths-based subject. In any case, doing a LOTE subject doesn't always equate to a score of 40+/45+ score. The scaling doesn't do much if you're not prepared to put in the effort and work; as goes with any other subject.

[pi]

all i have been saying is that adding 5 extra scaling is not fair to those not doing a LOTE.

Why don't you do a LOTE?

I'm pretty sure you're not (and similarly most ppl don't) because they are quite difficult, regardless of what LOTE you do. If it was "unfair", don't you think more people would be taking advantage of it (like spesh atm)? If not, it must be hard for most people, hence, the scaling.

[Zebra]

Studying a lote really is difficult, please don't belittle the efforts of those of us who are learning a lote. Unlike other vce subjects, the sky's the limit when it comes to how much you need to know for the exam, it's really a long continuous learning process that's far more complex than most others.

please explain how i belittled anyone. I am simply saying, the way the scaling system has been set up, it should already compensate for 'harder or easier' subjects and the strength of the cohort. you cannot claim languages are necessarily 'far more complex' than most other subjects,just because what you need to know is not clearly  defined. Biology is like that, yet few consider Biology one of the 'toughest subjects' and the scaling reflects that.

all i have been saying is that adding 5 extra scaling is not fair to those not doing a LOTE.

I consider Biology as the hardest subject LoL. But I agree with you

[taiga]

If LOTE is difficult then scaling of it should  be high regardless of VCAA's +5 bonus. Just my two cents.

[funkyducky]

Apart from lotes, scaling is determined by the average raw scores that students taking the subject in question are getting, ie. the  average score that students doing spesh get in their other subjects is higher than for english, so scaling reflects this. I think the high lote scaling is fair, as it is extremely difficult to score highly. I got a 50 in methods last year, and I reckon that the amount of time and effort required to achieve that are way less than what needs to be done to achieve a 50 in french. I'm not saying this because I find maths easy or languages hard (on the contrary, my natural affinity for languages is greater than mine for maths), I'm saying this because proficiency in a language is developed through years of committed learning and active engagement with the language.

[BlankSlate]

I was told from my school's VCE co-ordinator that the "+5 scaling" was put in place to encourage students to undertake LOTEs rather than just choose the normal science or maths-based subject. In any case, doing a LOTE subject doesn't always equate to a score of 40+/45+ score. The scaling doesn't do much if you're not prepared to put in the effort and work; as goes with any other subject.

I heard something similar to this. I heard that the Government wants to encourage Australians to undertake a LOTE so that in the future, there will be more people who can speak diverse languages so that the Australian economy can benefit from the increased relations with other countries. As a result they bumped up all LOTEs by 5 extra marks.