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[litaluta]

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I saw this on MIIM20001 handbook...is it okay?!

"Computer based assessment of practical in weeks 11 and 12 (2%)"

2%? really?!!!

[vox nihili]

:- o

I saw this on MIIM20001 handbook...is it okay?!

"Computer based assessment of practical in weeks 11 and 12 (2%)"

2%? really?!!!

HAHAHAHAHA bloody UniMelb...

That video makes me want to study mathematics ;_; Why can't we study everything?

Agreed. I almost signed up to calc 1 when I remembered that I'm terrible at maths...

[scribble]

Even if you're not a maths nerd (I'm not), this is pretty bloody cool!

staaahhp trying to br8 math. dis makes me really crii.:'< by abel's definition, the sum of an infinite sum exists iff its associated sequence of partial sums converges to a limit as n->infinity.
the sequence of partial sums for s1 is {1,0,1,0,1,0,1,...} which diverges by bounded oscillation so s1 is digergent. you shouldn't just take the average of its individual terms and and say that the s1=1/2, because no matter how long you add for, you will never actually get to 1/2.
And you can't use the algebra of series with non convergent series, so he shouldn't be able to use s1 to calculate s2 and finally s. Which is why the conclusion that s=1+2+3+4+5+...=-1/12 seems like such a counter intuitive answer.

if we're going to do dodgy mathematics, i could just as easily say that s2->infinity rather than s2=1/4 by pooping out something like this.

which is complete bs because s2's sequence of partial sums diverges by unbounded oscillation. :3 and i could've manipulated it to ->-inf just as easily.
(this is why we need precise definitions in mathematics)

[vox nihili]

staaahhp trying to br8 math. dis makes me really crii.:'< by abel's definition, the sum of an infinite sum exists iff its associated sequence of partial sums converges to a limit as n->infinity.
the sequence of partial sums for s1 is {1,0,1,0,1,0,1,...} which diverges by bounded oscillation so s1 is digergent. you shouldn't just take the average of its individual terms and and say that the s1=1/2, because no matter how long you add for, you will never actually get to 1/2.
And you can't use the algebra of series with non convergent series, so he shouldn't be able to use s1 to calculate s2 and finally s. Which is why the conclusion that s=1+2+3+4+5+...=-1/12 seems like such a counter intuitive answer.

if we're going to do dodgy mathematics, i could just as easily say that s2->infinity rather than s2=1/4 by pooping out something like this.
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which is complete bs because s2's sequence of partial sums diverges by unbounded oscillation. :3 and i could've manipulated it to ->-inf just as easily.
(this is why we need precise definitions in mathematics)

Like I've said, maths isn't my strength, though they're pretty confident it's correct. Particularly given that it has applications in string theory and quantum physics. There's a longer video with another proof here:

[charmanderp]

So...the University of Melbourne, anyone?

[vox nihili]

So...the University of Melbourne, anyone?

No, no, no! The arts students in my Spanish class the other day started talking about literature and books and all that stuff that makes no sense to me, so now it's time for the arts students to suffer! #revenge



Ok, that's a little petty ^ reading anything at the moment?

[charmanderp]

Let's just try and keep this thread relatively on track There's other boards to discuss mathematics.

I don't really read just *one* book at any time - it's more like 10 or 11 simultaneously.

[scribble]

i vote math should be discussed on all boards all the time :'D

have a read of these wiki articles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandi's_series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_%E2%88%92_2_%2B_3_%E2%88%92_4_%2B_%C2%B7_%C2%B7_%C2%B7
about the infinite series 1-2+3-4+5..., "In a 1749 report, Leonhard Euler admits that the series diverges but prepares to sum it anyway"

perhaps the result that 1+2+3+4+5+...=-1/12 has some applications in various areas (i wouldn't know, physics makes me all sorts of sad), but the proof they use in the video does not agree with abels definition of an infinite series which is very rigorous and used in modern mathematics.  Constructing a proof using such sloppy mathematics and imprecise definitions for an audience without a mathematical background leads to misunderstandings. His results are entertaining, but shouldn't be taken too seriously. Math is not as ridiculous as he makes it seem, the intuitive answer that 1+2+3+4+5+....->infinity is correct.
(physics on he other hand is crazy shit and i wouldn't want to let my brain anywhere near it)

[Thu Thu Train]

is all about the Zeta function and Bernoulli numbers and you can read alllll about it here http://terrytao.wordpress.com/2010/04/10/the-euler-maclaurin-formula-bernoulli-numbers-the-zeta-function-and-real-variable-analytic-continuation

edit: but yeah the numberphile video is flawed

[95atar]

hey guys is it possible to transfer from one course within melbourne uni to another

[Russ]

hey guys is it possible to transfer from one course within melbourne uni to another

that depends on how good you are at maths

srs answer; yes, absolutely. the transfer will depend on your marks, however. if you have done less than a full year of study, it'll also depend on your ATAR

[charmanderp]

i vote math should be discussed on all boards all the time :'D

*polishes banhammer*

Seriously though guys it is a fairly critical time of the year regarding new students and the like having questions. I don't want to be a party pooper but let's keep things uni related.

[Ballerina]

But anything we do and say is related to UoM because we are UoM students. I pooed and ate Coco Pops this morning, and that was still related to The University of Melbourne. Math falls under UoM General Chat very well. I will discuss Harry Potter with you if that is better ♥

And I am very impressed by scribble at the moment.

And I'm wondering if anyone else is taking Painting Techniques in February, because working on portfolios together to high tempo jazz music and caffeine is good fun.

[Hancock]

Lel Ballerina, dat signature.

I'm so not keen for semester 2 this year. 2 subjects is going to make James a very bored man unless he finds more work.

[charmanderp]

Do another subject under the Community Access Program

It costs like $4000.