Login

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

March 15, 2026, 07:30:13 pm

Author Topic: UoM General Chat  (Read 5717363 times)  Share 

0 Members and 10 Guests are viewing this topic.

alondouek

  • Subject Review God
  • Honorary Moderator
  • ATAR Notes Superstar
  • *******
  • Posts: 2903
  • Oh to be a Gooner!
  • Respect: +316
  • School: Leibler Yavneh College
  • School Grad Year: 2012
Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #6375 on: April 10, 2014, 10:59:54 pm »
+5
The only difference is that I get to go all the way to Clayton to fail biochemistry

yay
2013-2016
Majoring in Genetics and Developmental Biology

2012 ATAR: 96.55
English [48] Biology [40]

Need a driving instructor? Mobility Driving School

Starlight

  • Victorian
  • ATAR Notes Superstar
  • ******
  • Posts: 2948
  • Respect: +275
Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #6376 on: April 10, 2014, 11:09:09 pm »
+2
I am going to fail biochemistry.

I'm going to re-quote this when end of semester results come out and you end up getting an insanely good score for biochem (just like chem 2 last year :D )
2012-2014. BSc: Neuroscience. University of Melbourne.
2015-2018. Doctor of Optometry. University of Melbourne.

Unlikely to respond to any PMs these days.

simpak

  • Victorian
  • ATAR Notes Legend
  • *******
  • Posts: 3587
  • Respect: +376
Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #6377 on: April 10, 2014, 11:09:30 pm »
+2
If you guys are freaking out about biochem mostly because of enzyme kinetics then I really wouldn't worry that much...it's only a few lectures (very few) and it's probably the trickiest part of the course once you take away the rote learning.  If you can just get through it you'll be fine and even if you suck at it you still won't fail/get a bad mark.  Pretty sure it would be possible to not answer enzyme kinetics questions whatsoever and still get a H1.
2009 ENTER: 99.05
2014: BSci Hons (Microbiology/Immunology) at UoM
2015+: PhD (Immunology) at UoM

LeviLamp

  • Victorian
  • Part of the furniture
  • *****
  • Posts: 1050
  • Respect: +151
  • School: (≚ᄌ≚)ℒℴѵℯ❤
  • School Grad Year: 2012
Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #6378 on: April 10, 2014, 11:52:40 pm »
+1
They're mainly focused at 2nd years and up :)

Also I JUST REMEMBERED THAT CHRONIC ANXIETY DISORDERS ARE GROUNDS FOR EXTENSION APPLICATIONS
I'm praying I sent the email early enough to be considered for an extension, it would make my life <3
VCE: Chemistry | Biology (2011) | English (2011) | Environmental Science | Mathematical Methods CAS

2013-2015: BSc [Zoology] @ UoM | DLang [German - DISCONTINUED]
2016: GDSc [Botany] @ UoM
2017-2018: MSc [Biosciences - Zoology] @ UoM

Summer: BOTA30006

S1: BOTA20001 | EVSC20004 | BOTA30003 | BIOL90001

S2: GEOG20009 | BOTA30002 | BOTA30005 | EVSC20003 | NRMT90002

Subject and major reviews incoming :)

golden

  • Victorian
  • Part of the furniture
  • *****
  • Posts: 1065
  • Sharpshot
  • Respect: +102
  • School: VSC
  • School Grad Year: 2011
Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #6379 on: April 11, 2014, 12:00:54 am »
+5
It wasn't bad, if you studied for it then I don't see what would make the test so hard. It was literally all just recall. Robb and Terry got pretty pissed off though because feedback slides for the 2013 MST were posted on Facebook and so he thought it constituted unfair and unequal access - we just got told that because of this, they're going to analyse some of the results and they may alter the contribution the test makes to our final mark. I think Trent went through a similar sort of developmental question in one of his lectures. But all in all, as long as you knew your stuff, you were well-set and I don't think people who had access to the 2013 MST had much significant advantage at akk,

Wow, what a strange unfolding of events this has become.

Spoiler
Here is my brief analysis on the issue:
Robb and Terry have every right to be vigilant and pissed off about it.

Let's go through why MCB is a subject where coordinators would especially hate this:
1. MCB is a subject that hinges on your ability to know your stuff and hold the workload in what is a double subject. It is 'famous' for this idea.
2. From what it seems like from doing past papers last year, the questions don't really change that much each year.
3. Terry and Robb really, really, really care about their students and equality. They would easily go out of their way to help students out.

It may be arguably advantaging or disadvantaging that some have access to the assessment feedback material whilst others don't. But I think the main issue is likely to have more implications than what might seem at face value. The people distributing the material may have even prepared for the whole subject during the holidays. Honestly let that sink in. Keep in mind this is MCB. You have 12 weeks in a semester (add one for week break, add 1-2 for SWOTVAC), but you easily have over 36 weeks of summer holidays. Fine, let's say they didn't do the whole subject, but still a significant enough amount of resources and preparation are available to gain an advantage as a whole. Let's remember that, this subject, and to a degree university itself, is designed to test your ability to keep up and fighting, to keep moving and not to get owned. This whole idea becomes ruined with the aforementioned points. I don't know if what I am saying makes any sense; I am not implying every form of preparation for a subject is not recommended, it is just there are particular forms which are if you like, more 'unfair' than others. But that is just my opinion.

(tomorrow i also have a techniques mst that i literally have done 0 study for and a prob assignment that i have no clue how to do due :'D )
A logical next step would be to get working. Good luck!

I'm going to re-quote this when end of semester results come out and you end up getting an insanely good score for biochem (just like chem 2 last year :D )
I have quoted your re-quote for this purpose as well.
2014: Microbiology/Immunology Major.

Thanks to (alphabetical order):
2010: appianway. 2011: Kamil9876, laseredd, xZero. 2012: dc302, harper, marr.
Multiple times: pi, Russ, stonecold, TT.

Hancock

  • SUPER ENGINEERING MAN
  • Victorian
  • Part of the furniture
  • *****
  • Posts: 1221
  • Respect: +270
  • School: Ringwood Secondary College
  • School Grad Year: 2011
Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #6380 on: April 11, 2014, 12:28:10 am »
0
Wow, what a strange unfolding of events this has become.

Here is my brief analysis on the issue:
Robb and Terry have every right to be vigilant and pissed off about it.

The people distributing the material may have even prepared for the whole subject during the holidays. Honestly let that sink in. Keep in mind this is MCB. You have 12 weeks in a semester (add one for week break, add 1-2 for SWOTVAC), but you easily have over 36 weeks of summer holidays. Fine, let's say they didn't do the whole subject, but still a significant enough amount of resources and preparation are available to gain an advantage as a whole. Let's remember that, this subject, and to a degree university itself, is designed to test your ability to keep up and fighting, to keep moving and not to get owned. This whole idea becomes ruined with the aforementioned points. I don't know if what I am saying makes any sense; I am not implying every form of preparation for a subject is not recommended, it is just there are particular forms which are if you like, more 'unfair' than others. But that is just my opinion.
A logical next step would be to get working. Good luck!
I have quoted your re-quote for this purpose as well.

See, the bolded lines are were I disagree with you. For me, the university courses aren't about testing my ability to keep fighting, it's about learning the content that they are prescribing in each class to a calibre which the university deems satisfactory and granting the student/me a passing grade. It shouldn't matter if you learnt the material over summer, during the semester, or even 10 years ago. If you know your stuff, you deserve the grade you are awarded. Biomedicine is inherently more competitive that other courses, but I think it's unjustified to say that over-preparing for a subject would be considered unfair for other students (this is what I'm getting from your last sentence, I may be inferring incorrectly however).

On the other hand, I agree that the co-ords for the class should be annoyed about people getting post-assessment advice from last year.

EDIT: Regarding the idea of competition in university, I understand that Biomed students are predominantly aiming for post-grad courses, but has it really gotten to the point where students are still treating studies as competition like in VCE? I'm actually curious because this doesn't happen in any of the engineering classes I've enrolled in before. 
« Last Edit: April 11, 2014, 12:32:28 am by Hancock »
Thinking of doing Engineering? - Engineering FAQs

2012 - 2014: B.Sc. - Mechanical Systems - The University of Melbourne
2014 - 2014: Cross-Institutional Study - Aero/Mech Engineering - Monash University
2015 - 2016: M.Eng (Mechanical with Business) - The University of Melbourne
2015 - Sem1: Exchange Semester - ETH Zurich

hobbitle

  • Victorian
  • Part of the furniture
  • *****
  • Posts: 1235
  • Respect: +110
Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #6381 on: April 11, 2014, 02:22:05 am »
0

has it really gotten to the point where students are still treating studies as competition like in VCE? I'm actually curious because this doesn't happen in any of the engineering classes I've enrolled in before.

I'm interested in this too. I haven't experienced a scrap of competitive vibe since starting Eng.
2008 - 2010 | Bachelor of Production @ Victorian College of the Arts
2013 - 2015 | Bachelor of Science @ UoM (Bioengineering Systems)
2016 - 2017 | Master of Engineering (Biomedical) @ UoM

hobbitle

  • Victorian
  • Part of the furniture
  • *****
  • Posts: 1235
  • Respect: +110
Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #6382 on: April 11, 2014, 02:23:48 am »
0
Congratulations Nicola!!!!
Sounds pretty damn awesome I'm sure you'll get it!

Also, as a first year student, are there any internships/programs (mainly related to Physics/Engineering) that I should be looking out for? Or is it mainly aimed at 2nd years+

Cheers mate. :)
Mostly they are targeted towards 2+ years.
If you're interested in research, check out the Summer Research Experience program offered by the School of Engineering for when you're in 2nd+ year.
2008 - 2010 | Bachelor of Production @ Victorian College of the Arts
2013 - 2015 | Bachelor of Science @ UoM (Bioengineering Systems)
2016 - 2017 | Master of Engineering (Biomedical) @ UoM

LeviLamp

  • Victorian
  • Part of the furniture
  • *****
  • Posts: 1050
  • Respect: +151
  • School: (≚ᄌ≚)ℒℴѵℯ❤
  • School Grad Year: 2012
Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #6383 on: April 11, 2014, 02:24:10 am »
0
In all of my classes, there's a lot of camaraderie between/amongst the student body, even BCMB (to some extent), which is full of premeds and prevets who must get H1s in ~*all the things*~. I have yet to see the competitive vibe come from anyone other than an educator this year.
VCE: Chemistry | Biology (2011) | English (2011) | Environmental Science | Mathematical Methods CAS

2013-2015: BSc [Zoology] @ UoM | DLang [German - DISCONTINUED]
2016: GDSc [Botany] @ UoM
2017-2018: MSc [Biosciences - Zoology] @ UoM

Summer: BOTA30006

S1: BOTA20001 | EVSC20004 | BOTA30003 | BIOL90001

S2: GEOG20009 | BOTA30002 | BOTA30005 | EVSC20003 | NRMT90002

Subject and major reviews incoming :)

golden

  • Victorian
  • Part of the furniture
  • *****
  • Posts: 1065
  • Sharpshot
  • Respect: +102
  • School: VSC
  • School Grad Year: 2011
Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #6384 on: April 11, 2014, 05:53:06 am »
0
See, the bolded lines are were I disagree with you. For me, the university courses aren't about testing my ability to keep fighting, it's about learning the content that they are prescribing in each class to a calibre which the university deems satisfactory and granting the student/me a passing grade.

Hancock I will address your points one by one. I don't think we really share that much of a difference in opinion (keep in mind it is ~5.45 am at the time I am writing this), and it is just a manner of taking information in or out of context: To set this in context for those reading, here is what I said:
1.
Quote
Let's remember that, this subject, and to a degree university itself, is designed to test your ability to keep up and fighting, to keep moving and not to get owned.
"This subject" implies the subject BIOM20001, of which my main focus was on discussing. It is famous for being of a high workload, and many do ultimately feel to keep fighting/moving to not to get owned.
"To a degree university itself": What I believe a University tests is multifaceted, of in my opinion in part incorporates "to a degree" times when you will need to really push through and keep on moving in order not to get owned. Each person will have different experiences on this. I don't know about you, but there are certain times I fall so behind in work, or sometimes get lost in the detail I really need to fight through to get back on track, and not get owned. It does not imply I believe that it is the main nor only test of University itself. Again I think it is really multifaceted, of which to a degree it incorporates that.

My main focus was on BIOM20001, not University itself. If it were a discussion on University itself I would say quite a few different things. Refer back to my original post itself; it has more information to set the scene, if you just take a few statements and bold them they will seem out of context and can be taken differently from what I mean.

2.
Quote
It may be arguably advantaging or disadvantaging that some have access to the assessment feedback material whilst others don't. But I think the main issue is likely to have more implications than what might seem at face value. The people distributing the material may have even prepared for the whole subject during the holidays.
I will simplify what I have said in the quote: The people distributing the 'past assessment feedback material' are likely to not only have that resource but lots of the other resources, including likely lecture capture, lecture slides, perhaps past assessment questions and answers for online quizzes and so forth. This is what I meant by saying "the issue is likely to have more implications than what might seem at face value", that "I'm not implying every form of preparation is not recommended it is just there are particular forms which are if you like, more 'unfair' than others". This would explain why I believe is the main reason as to why the coordinators are pissed.

It shouldn't matter if you learnt the material over summer, during the semester, or even 10 years ago. If you know your stuff, you deserve the grade you are awarded. Biomedicine is inherently more competitive that other courses, but I think it's unjustified to say that over-preparing for a subject would be considered unfair for other students (this is what I'm getting from your last sentence, I may be inferring incorrectly however).
Again, quote from the original post:
Quote
I am not implying every form of preparation for a subject is not recommended, it is just there are particular forms which are if you like, more 'unfair' than others.
Everyone can buy a book or research things on the internet and so forth (I absolutely support this), but not everyone will necessarily have past lecture capture, feedback and answers to questions that you would not even get when the course starts until after the assessment, lecture slides, and so forth. These are the different levels of fairness I think that come into play. The subject I was referring to for example is somewhat famous for being of a high workload. Now if you have access to all of these things, the content is similar from year to year, the feedback questions you won't receive until after the assessment, you may have quiz questions and answers which you will be tested on etc that others don't, now don't you think that is a little unfair? What is your opinion on this? It isn't about the competition. It is however about the level of equality, of which as I mentioned the coordinators value, of which could account for why they are pissed off.

Edit: grammar.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2014, 02:49:08 pm by golden »
2014: Microbiology/Immunology Major.

Thanks to (alphabetical order):
2010: appianway. 2011: Kamil9876, laseredd, xZero. 2012: dc302, harper, marr.
Multiple times: pi, Russ, stonecold, TT.

litaluta

  • Victorian
  • Trendsetter
  • **
  • Posts: 130
  • Respect: +10
  • School: University of Melbourne
  • School Grad Year: 2015
Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #6385 on: April 11, 2014, 09:36:42 am »
0
Next week is Microbiology (MIIM20001) mid sem exammmmmmm. I am going to die!

Lovely poeple who took this lovely subject, how was mid sem? and also what r ur suggestion on how to study for it? Lectures are enough? plz say yes :((((((

Why there is no review on this subject! :((((((((((

(as u can tell I am really stressed!)

Ballerina

  • well butter my bottom and call me a biscuit
  • Victorian
  • Forum Leader
  • ****
  • Posts: 557
  • Riefe Sie dr Polizei!
  • Respect: +169
  • School: University of Melbourne
  • School Grad Year: 2015
Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #6386 on: April 11, 2014, 11:08:13 am »
0
You'll do well Lita. You weren't sure about some of your subjects last year and it appears everything turned out fine!

Got a UROP interview! Excited.

OH MY GODDDDDDDDDDDDD DARLING CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!~~~!! ♥♥♥ Confident enough you'll get a place that I'm incredibly jealous @________@ But simultaneously don't regret not applying because I can't juggle school with work like you already do. You will OWN the interview. You always come across as articulate, responsible, capable.

That's meta...

Whin(e)ception

Maybe she was a level-12 vegan and doesn't like killing bacteria

Ironically, she seemed to have diarrhoea and decreased hand-washing is strongly correlated with chronic diarrhoea :'DD Which would adversely affect the environment...

LeviLamp

  • Victorian
  • Part of the furniture
  • *****
  • Posts: 1050
  • Respect: +151
  • School: (≚ᄌ≚)ℒℴѵℯ❤
  • School Grad Year: 2012
Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #6387 on: April 11, 2014, 11:18:16 am »
0
Went to Biochem MST without an eraser, panicked and picked a stupid answer for one question. Could not change it :(

How did everyone else go on MST 1?
VCE: Chemistry | Biology (2011) | English (2011) | Environmental Science | Mathematical Methods CAS

2013-2015: BSc [Zoology] @ UoM | DLang [German - DISCONTINUED]
2016: GDSc [Botany] @ UoM
2017-2018: MSc [Biosciences - Zoology] @ UoM

Summer: BOTA30006

S1: BOTA20001 | EVSC20004 | BOTA30003 | BIOL90001

S2: GEOG20009 | BOTA30002 | BOTA30005 | EVSC20003 | NRMT90002

Subject and major reviews incoming :)

hobbitle

  • Victorian
  • Part of the furniture
  • *****
  • Posts: 1235
  • Respect: +110
Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #6388 on: April 11, 2014, 11:37:43 am »
+1

OH MY GODDDDDDDDDDDDD DARLING CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!~~~!! ♥♥♥

Haha you are so sweet. Thanks for the vote of confidence :-) It's good that you are in tune with what you can and can't handle - best to focus on what matters most to you at the time! I was surprised as hell to be offered an interview, not expecting to actually get it (I'm still taking Chem Fundamentals for goodness sake!) but I'm pleased that I get to show my face for next time.
2008 - 2010 | Bachelor of Production @ Victorian College of the Arts
2013 - 2015 | Bachelor of Science @ UoM (Bioengineering Systems)
2016 - 2017 | Master of Engineering (Biomedical) @ UoM

ChickenCh0wM1en

  • Victorian
  • Forum Leader
  • ****
  • Posts: 772
  • Respect: +102
Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #6389 on: April 11, 2014, 11:41:17 am »
0
Went to Biochem MST without an eraser, panicked and picked a stupid answer for one question. Could not change it :(

How did everyone else go on MST 1?

Man I found some of the questions extremely ambiguous. It was a mild difficulty though. Some questions were very straight forward some. We're very difficult. How about you LL?
BSc (2015), MD1 (2016)
Tutoring in 2016: http://www.tutorfinder.com.au/tutors/detail.php?TutorID=78301
Chuck a PM if interested :)

Available for tutoring on the summer holidays for university subjects or VCe.
Also tutoring for the Melbourne uni MMIs (medical/physiotherapy interviews)

Please don't PM me for lecture slides or recordings. I don't have them anymore.