UoM General Chat

[vea]

What do 3rd years think of the workload (Semester 1) of: Molecules to Malady (compulsory CORE), Human Locomotor Systems, Principles of Neuroscience, Principles of Immunology.

That is a very intensive list of subjects and it always is whenever you're doing any 4 sciences but HLS and Principles of Immuno are regarded as especially tough subjects with lots of workload so I would not recommend it unless you have no other commitments outside of uni (or you are a genius/awesome at time management). HLS also has weekly 3hr pracs. That being said, I know a few people doing 4 science but none of them are doing those particular combination of subjects. It could be wise to choose subjects that compliment each other better such as Principles of Neuro and Neurophys or Immuno and Microbiology but it seems like you'd like to sample a few of the different sciences anyway so I guess the choice is yours to make.

[REBORN]

I want to try Immunology without doing an Immunology major. Now I am scared. :/

[LeviLamp]

http://www.amsi.org.au/index.php/higher-education/bioinfosummer

Just signed up for this on recommendation of a lady at a bioinformatics stall two days ago, scribble and hobbitle might be interested?

[hobbitle]

You're awesome thanks Levi :-)

[vea]

I want to try Immunology without doing an Immunology major. Now I am scared. :/

After doing immuno in MCB later in the semester and possibly microbes next semester, you'll probably have a better feel of whether you actually want to do it.

[Inside Out]

Hurro, people.

Due to the Melb model, you have to complete the undergrad part (3 years) with an average of at least 65% (for example) to get into the master's program.
If you don't achieve this, does that mean you basically have a half-assed useless degree and you've wasted 3 years?

indeed. that's why i say don't go to Melbourne if you know you don't have the brains. People who get through seas with an atar of 78, i really don't know how they're going to do it.

[ChickenCh0wM1en]

indeed. that's why i say don't go to Melbourne if you know you don't have the brains. People who get through seas with an atar of 78, i really don't know how they're going to do it.

I always thought that the 65 avg was "guaranteed" entry into the MEng program but if someone got 64 or 63 avg they still might get in?

[hobbitle]

indeed. that's why i say don't go to Melbourne if you know you don't have the brains. People who get through seas with an atar of 78, i really don't know how they're going to do it.

Why did you quite something from 3 years ago?? :-/

[chysim]

indeed. that's why i say don't go to Melbourne if you know you don't have the brains. People who get through seas with an atar of 78, i really don't know how they're going to do it.

High ATAR ≠ High uni grades. I'm sure there is a correlation, but far from 100% causation.

The point of SEAS is that it ostensibly levels the playing field for students of under-represented backgrounds (e.g. lesser school, regional, lower SES etc.). i.e. a clearly-in ATAR for a SEAS eligible is considered equal to a clearly-in for a non-SEAS.

[vox nihili]

indeed. that's why i say don't go to Melbourne if you know you don't have the brains. People who get through seas with an atar of 78, i really don't know how they're going to do it.

This is perhaps a little unfair. People who are making it through on SEAS with a 78 have faced unbelievably difficult pressures in order to obtain that score. In a more equalising environment, where at least the quality of education they receive is similar, people from these settings often out perform those who got clearly-in

[amyhere]

This is perhaps a little unfair. People who are making it through on SEAS with a 78 have faced unbelievably difficult pressures in order to obtain that score. In a more equalising environment, where at least the quality of education they receive is similar, people from these settings often out perform those who got clearly-in

I don't think even the majority of people who can get in through SEAS have "faced unbelievably difficult pressures".  Sure, some have, but you basically just need to have a non-Melbourne (possibly non-Geelong) post code and you're in..

[vox nihili]

I don't think even the majority of people who can get in through SEAS have "faced unbelievably difficult pressures".  Sure, some have, but you basically just need to have a non-Melbourne (possibly non-Geelong) post code and you're in..

It is non-Geelong as well. The very vast majority of people who study in the country are at an enormous disadvantage.

[ChickenCh0wM1en]

This is perhaps a little unfair. People who are making it through on SEAS with a 78 have faced unbelievably difficult pressures in order to obtain that score. In a more equalising environment, where at least the quality of education they receive is similar, people from these settings often out perform those who got clearly-in

I do agree with what you have said. In saying so, there are people who actually take advantage and abuse the SEAS system to get into a course like BSc etc with an ATAR that is just above the 78.00 SEAS cutoff. This isn't to say that SEAS is dodgy, in fact I think it is great in the sense that it tries to give people an equal opportunity for a quality education, but there are loop holes that some people go through to get a spot in their desired course.

[Inside Out]

Whoops i must have somehow landed on page one in this thread but thought it was recently posted.
I just think that even with the most difficult circumstances a bright person who would have otherwise achieved the clearly in of lets say 92 for science, would at least get 80+ you know?

[Mr. Study]

I don't know anything about you "Inside Out", so I don't want to come off as sounding presumptuous.

I get the distinct impression you haven't experienced any form of disadvantage. It's like you're saying, "Well, it shouldn't be that hard to get X ATAR, despite experiencing this and that".

I'll just say this, to an extent you really have to experience being disadvantaged, in order to understand it. So, for instance, attending a terrible school. It's easy for people to say, "You can just work hard at any school and things will come your way". It isn't as simple as that. Try attending a school where you're being persecuted for your race, and yes that does happen in schools. Try attending a subject where the teacher has been partying with your peers the night before and hence, doesn't give a rats arse about teaching the class in general but, instead, wants to socialise with their "friends" i.e your peers. Try learning in an environment where disruptions are the norm, where discipline isn't actively enforced. This isn't even applicable to all "terrible" schools. Not all schools can be categorically defined by these "norms". Some exhibit it, some don't.

And that's just one "factor" that people can experience. How about an abusive family environment? Or an underlining medical condition ? Or this and that .... (I can't list everything at the top of my head)

But what I am trying to say is, I think you're generalising too much. Oh, and I know someone who got an ATAR of 84~ and topped a few of his units last year, at UoM. So I really doubt there is, to an extent, a correlation between ATAR and Uni grade.

Also, I'd say the SEAS system isn't perfect. Sure, people abuse it and I know a few people myself  who did but, at the end of the day, it does help those few who do need it. It's honestly better than nothing.