UoM General Chat

[lzxnl]

Quick question:
When is timetabling due to start for semester 2? I would prefer it if I didn't have to wait anxiously for 10 am EST when I'm overseas on the other side of the world.

[ChickenCh0wM1en]

Hey guys,

a quick question.

Since someone told me that the biol10004 guys don't provide sample exams, does anyone have a form of preparation material for that subject?

how should I prepare for the exam?

I think you misread my post a few pages back....
There will be one sample paper and there will be lots of questions there for you to attempt (in particular the last section which is 3 extended response questions) but on the sample paper they will give you >15 extended response questions to practice from) which I think sufficed. To prepare for the exam, I would suggest going through ALL the lecture notes thoroughly until you know it off your heart and then attempt the sample paper they give. I definitely should have done that last year.

[simpak]

Women in Australia can consciously move away from the fields of engineering and commerce if they want to, as well.

Are you trying to say that all men consciously move away from nursing because they simply don't want to do nursing, rather than expectations imposed on them due to gender roles?  Nursing has typically being classified as 'womens work' for centuries and in popular culture the concept of the 'male nurse' has been ridiculed before (see for eg one of those Ben Stiller movie iirc).  I think that in this case it almost is a comparable injustice to underrepresentation of women in the fields you've mentioned Charmanderp.  I presume many men wouldn't feel comfortable embarking on a nursing education/career still in this day and age because of gender associated expectations.

Plus, even if people 'consciously move away' from something, that 'conscious choice' is often influenced by societal expectations in subtle ways.  Eg I make a 'conscious choice' not to challenge gender roles still relies on you being influenced by and recognising gender roles.

[LeviLamp]

This is a pretty complex societal issue, but I personally think simpak is right about nursing and education being considered 'female' occupations, and this is also a result of traditionally/historically patriarchal gender roles. Overall women statistically experience a lot more of these problems, but nursing and education are fields men are reluctant to enter (more particularly nursing) at least in part due to the gender expectations of people and society. Anecdotally speaking, whenever I throw out the possibility of taking postgrad nursing, people (including my own family) laugh openly, because it's not seen as a male profession.
Occupations don't need to be 50/50 of each majority gender, but there is a definite problem on both sides of the playing field here.

ANYWAY, re. Bardia Saeedi, so long as you're familiar with all the lecture and practical (not to such an extent, but one or two MCQs will probably involve prac material) content, the exam will be easy-breezy. I didn't do the extended response of the single sample paper either (since written responses scare me until I'm actually in the exam) and I was more than completely fine with the entirety of the exam in both semesters. Do make sure you know everything the lecturers have SAID, not only what they've put on their Powerpoint slides.

ALSO re. Ballerina, the science ratio doesn't surprise me, since more girls enrol in undergraduate biology, geography and psychology, and there are far more biology majors to choose from than chemistry, physics etc., which may have many subjects but usually only a single or a small number of available major sequences; UoM has twenty-two biologically/psychologically-based majors, but only two maths majors, five male-dominated engineering majors (out of seven) and three physics majors (one of which is an overlap with maths).

[Bardia Saeedi]

I think you misread my post a few pages back....
There will be one sample paper and there will be lots of questions there for you to attempt (in particular the last section which is 3 extended response questions) but on the sample paper they will give you >15 extended response questions to practice from) which I think sufficed. To prepare for the exam, I would suggest going through ALL the lecture notes thoroughly until you know it off your heart and then attempt the sample paper they give. I definitely should have done that last year.

Thanks Chicken.

Appreciate it.

[Ballerina]

oh good god no why did I post anything related to gender in a university forum, why why why

when I was contemplating engineering, i didn't think 'boohoo I can't because of internalized misogyny'. i thought, 'hell yes, there's a lot of carrots in that stew <3 <3 <3 <3' i would do similarly as a male nurse; Australia has beaaautiful accessibility, which means it's not about the cards we're dealt, but how we play them.

[Stick]

Hey everyone, in my free time I'm planning for my future and I need some help.

I've decided I don't want to continue with Italian after this year. It's my favourite subject by far at university, but after Italian 4 the assessment becomes a lot more demanding and the focus changes quite a bit - it becomes a lot more about formal, academic language that I'm not really likely to use in the future. It was also a really safe choice for me and I feel I need to do something else that really embraces the concept of what breadth study is all about. Anyway, I haven't really studied psychology before and I've always wanted to, so I was considering taking up PSYC20008 (Developmental Psychology) and PSYC20009 (Personality and Social Psychology) next year. While there aren't any prerequisites, the handbook states that completion of PSYC10003 (Mind, Brain and Behaviour 1) and PSYC10004 (Mind, Brain and Behaviour 2) is recommended. I can't take these two subjects yet since they're not available as breadth in the Bachelor of Biomedicine, so I was wondering if I'd be at any disadvantage taking up PSYC20008 and PSYC20009 without them. If I am, I really need to think about what I'd like to do for breadth next year...

[REBORN]

I took MBB2 in Semester 2 of BBMED I - you are allowed 2 science subjects.

[Stick]

I was aware of another student doing that as well - the issue is that I don't really want to drop Italian 4 either! lol

I must love making things difficult for myself. XD

[REBORN]

I don't think MBB2 is really required. I have friends who did PSYC20009 whilst I did MBB2 and they did fine. Just be aware of the lab report though...it requires a lot of research.

[Hehetymen]

Science total:
Male: 3,770
Female: 3,036

Still willing to bet physics is still a 10:1 ratio of male:female

Isn't it the other way around; females 3770 and males 3036?

[Ballerina]

Science total:
Male: 3,036
Female: 3,770

Still willing to bet physics is still a 10:1 ratio of male:female

Ahahah! I wish I could introduce the students in your engineering classes to the students in my psychology classes over candlelight. It would resolve 95% of my male engineering friends' problems.

Hey everyone, in my free time I'm planning for my future and I need some help.

I've decided I don't want to continue with Italian after this year. It's my favourite subject by far at university, but after Italian 4 the assessment becomes a lot more demanding and the focus changes quite a bit - it becomes a lot more about formal, academic language that I'm not really likely to use in the future. It was also a really safe choice for me and I feel I need to do something else that really embraces the concept of what breadth study is all about. Anyway, I haven't really studied psychology before and I've always wanted to, so I was considering taking up PSYC20008 (Developmental Psychology) and PSYC20009 (Personality and Social Psychology) next year. While there aren't any prerequisites, the handbook states that completion of PSYC10003 (Mind, Brain and Behaviour 1) and PSYC10004 (Mind, Brain and Behaviour 2) is recommended. I can't take these two subjects yet since they're not available as breadth in the Bachelor of Biomedicine, so I was wondering if I'd be at any disadvantage taking up PSYC20008 and PSYC20009 without them. If I am, I really need to think about what I'd like to do for breadth next year...

PSYC20009 is apparently the most laid-back of the second year psychology subjects, so good choice! I'm taking Biological Psychology, which is coordinated in a very similar way; all first and second year psychology subjects are, which gives you a hell of an advantage because it's essentially deja vu. Lecturers do try and accommodate those who are taking psychology as a breadth. Quantitative methods lectures begin by describing a 'median', ahahah. When they asked the lecture theatre who had taken first year psychology, around 75% raised their hand. Considering your work ethic you would do very well, though not as well as if you had taken MBB1-2. I rely often on the information learnt in both VCE and first year psychology that lecturers/tutors seem to assume is common knowledge (indentations in APA 6 are not!). Some aspects of psychology aren't intuitive; largely, academic writing. If you dislike formality for the sake of formality in academic writing, you may not enjoy the 40% lab report ahah. On the plus side, all the exams are purely multiple choice...? Alternatively, you could take MBB1-2 in second year (if you have room for more biomed credits). Many do.

[marr]

I can expand on how 2nd year psych subjects are tomorrow when I get proper access to my laptop but Ballerina sums it up quite nicely. Also, the Developmental Psychology exam isn't all multiple choice, there's an essay component as well.

[Stick]

PSYC20009 is apparently the most laid-back of the second year psychology subjects, so good choice! I'm taking Biological Psychology, which is coordinated in a very similar way; all first and second year psychology subjects are, which gives you a hell of an advantage because it's essentially deja vu. Lecturers do try and accommodate those who are taking psychology as a breadth. Quantitative methods lectures begin by describing a 'median', ahahah. When they asked the lecture theatre who had taken first year psychology, around 75% raised their hand. Considering your work ethic you would do very well, though not as well as if you had taken MBB1-2. I rely often on the information learnt in both VCE and first year psychology that lecturers/tutors seem to assume is common knowledge (indentations in APA 6 are not!). Some aspects of psychology aren't intuitive; largely, academic writing. If you dislike formality for the sake of formality in academic writing, you may not enjoy the 40% lab report ahah. On the plus side, all the exams are purely multiple choice...? Alternatively, you could take MBB1-2 in second year (if you have room for more biomed credits). Many do.

Thanks so much for your detailed reply! I'll definitely keep it on the cards for now but I think I also need to look at other subjects too in order to make a fully informed decision.

[Bardia Saeedi]

hey guys, another jaffy type question.

this is regarding BIOL10004 again.

The recommended pre-readings say Chp16 pp358-335. This obviously makes no sense, and page 335 is not even in chapter 16.

So my question is, should I read the specific pages that the lecturer has set as prereadings, or should I read that entire chapter.

eg, if it says pages 40-50, which is in chapter 2, but chapter 2 is pages 38-54, should I read all the chapter or only the recommended pre-readings?

and what do you think the lecturer means when he says chp16 pp358-335?

Thanks in advance.