Vector Calculus/Engineering Maths

[Elnino_Gerrard]

What do people think about doing  4 sciences in one semester second year?  . Foundations of electrical networks,Vector Calc,Eng Maths,Quantium Mechanics and Special Relativity.
Would it be impossible or still manageable?. Need to do 4 sciences somwwhere if im too keep options of doing a physics subject in 3rd year which i really want to do. (Astrophysics)

I did 5 sciences and 1 arts last semester so I think it's definitely manageable.

In fact, if you do eng maths, you can pretty much wag Quantum Mechanics and Vector calc, since the material is veryyyy similar. After I did eng maths in summer, I did vect calc and quant mech in first semester--did not go to a single lecture. But before the exams, they were both very crammable as the maths was pretty much the same as the stuff you learnt in eng maths (I didn't go to any eng maths lectures either but that was cause it was summer and I wanted to enjoy my holidays )

Makes me feel a bit better about it.4 sciences in first sem it is ;/
Btw how how was quantum?
Anyone know what this stuff about Eng mech in first sem being tuned toward civil engineers is? Handbook says people wanting to do any other major should do it in second sem?

[Elnino_Gerrard]

And also hearing real analysis is butt rape  true?

[Gloamglozer]

And also hearing real analysis is butt rape  true?

LOL  It's only butt rape because most people are not accustomed to the thinking involved in it.  And that is precisely the purpose of the subject: to equip you with the valuable thinking processes involved for higher level maths, especially involving proofs.  It's not necessarily the maths that's important and it's certainly not the number crunching maths that all VCE students and first year students regard as "easy" or define as "maths".  Real Analysis is real maths.

I would wager it's one of the hardest, if not already the hardest, level 2 subject offered.

[dc302]

Yeah, that and along with Group Theory are probably the two most 'different' maths you will encounter in second year. Although if you're not going to do further maths, real analysis isn't going to be too important to you.

[Elnino_Gerrard]

And also hearing real analysis is butt rape  true?

LOL  It's only butt rape because most people are not accustomed to the thinking involved in it.  And that is precisely the purpose of the subject: to equip you with the valuable thinking processes involved for higher level maths, especially involving proofs.  It's not necessarily the maths that's important and it's certainly not the number crunching maths that all VCE students and first year students regard as "easy" or define as "maths".  Real Analysis is real maths.

I would wager it's one of the hardest, if not already the hardest, level 2 subject offered.

. Looks i have to reconsider going 4 sciences in one semester and giving up on doing physics all together :/.

[Elnino_Gerrard]

Yeah, that and along with Group Theory are probably the two most 'different' maths you will encounter in second year. Although if you're not going to do further maths, real analysis isn't going to be too important to you.

But third year physics has it as a requirement. :/

[dc302]

Yeah, that and along with Group Theory are probably the two most 'different' maths you will encounter in second year. Although if you're not going to do further maths, real analysis isn't going to be too important to you.

But third year physics has it as a requirement. :/

Yeah I know, but I meant you won't really need to be really well-versed in it to do third year physics--they teach you pretty much all the maths you need to know, if 2nd year physics told me anything. If you do third year maths in pure maths (and maybe applied as well--can't speak for any of the others), then you really need to be comfortable with something like real analysis, as it's treated as obvious assumed knowledge.

[Gloamglozer]

Yeah, that and along with Group Theory are probably the two most 'different' maths you will encounter in second year. Although if you're not going to do further maths, real analysis isn't going to be too important to you.

But third year physics has it as a requirement. :/

Yeah I know, but I meant you won't really need to be really well-versed in it to do third year physics--they teach you pretty much all the maths you need to know, if 2nd year physics told me anything. If you do third year maths in pure maths (and maybe applied as well--can't speak for any of the others), then you really need to be comfortable with something like real analysis, as it's treated as obvious assumed knowledge.

The mechanics and the thinking processes behind Real Analysis is valuable for all maths and stats majors and hence it's a core.  But in terms of the content involved, I guess only pure and applied specialisations would be affected I believed like you mentioned.

[Elnino_Gerrard]

Oh well ,Im up for a challenge and i guess with enough effort it should manageable and *hopefully* interesting. If nothing at all ill hope that some day this subject will be off use to me.
So Real analysis,Eng mech,Foundations of electrical networks and Managiing and LEading organisations in second sem. Seems manageable.
First sem is going to be a bit of rapage with Quantum,Vector calc,Eng maths,Eng comp

[dc302]

Oh well ,Im up for a challenge and i guess with enough effort it should manageable and *hopefully* interesting. If nothing at all ill hope that some day this subject will be off use to me.
So Real analysis,Eng mech,Foundations of electrical networks and Managiing and LEading organisations in second sem. Seems manageable.
First sem is going to be a bit of rapage with Quantum,Vector calc,Eng maths,Eng comp

When you get the eng maths notes, have a look at the last chapter--it should be PDEs. Learn that chapter and you know 70% of the quantum mechanics course Oh and, learn the first chapter (should be called vector calculus), and hey what do you know, you know about 70% of the vector calc course too!

[Blakhitman]

Yeah can someone clarify whether that stuff about eng mech being geared towards civil major when done in first sem?

[Elnino_Gerrard]

Yeah can someone clarify whether that stuff about eng mech being geared towards civil major when done in first sem?

Apparently first semester has less fluids and stuff from what im told and more statics. But yea first sem is more geared toward civil

[Blakhitman]

cheers. Then what about taking it over the summer?

[linle]

Has anyone taken both of these in 2012 and are they able to tell me how closely related these are?

[tomk234]

So just to be clear, I CAN do eng maths first semester, and then vector calc 2nd semester? but only get credit for one of them, which means I have to do another subject to get another 12.5 points?