John Monash science school or haileybury?

[taiga]

just with the sporting team thing, private schools to tend to be "more inclusive" at MHS only the very elite (relativee) can play a particular sport (e.g. No B, C, D, E, F teams)

It's pretty rare that when someone wants to get involved in a sport they'll get barred though =\

What sports are you thinking of



and Jen - during the day we often get kicked out of the sport facilities because JMSS has PE classes there.

[burbs]

Went to Haileybury and selective school. Haileybury is a very good school with excellent resources and facilities. Haileybury 100%

[thatisanote]

my brother goes to JMSS.

Answer:
go with JMSS only if she definitely wants to do a science for her future.
If that is the case, JMSS will be perfect.
Otherwise the private school advantages outweigh JMSS' benefits.

[paulsterio]

This is my view, as a current Year 12 student who has received scholarships to private schools in the past as well as gotten an offer at Melbourne High but declined all to stay at my local school (Glen Waverley Secondary College).

I am in staunch opposition against the privatisation of education because it creates a clear class difference, a them and us mentality that states and implies those that go to private schools are of a higher social class than those that are in public schools, purely because they can afford to go to a private school, what about those that can't afford to go, but are deserving of a place in so called "elite education". I strongly disagree with this notion and hence believe that education should be a resource available to all people for free, equally. Private schools will always and forever be for the people that can afford it and hence, as a result, it is promoting a separation and distinction which should not be present in society.

Furthermore, a similar argument applies to selective entry schools (MacRob MHS JMSS) - it is unfair to students who are not intelligent enough in Year 8 to attain entrance into one of these schools if the end result of schooling is to achieve a good year 12 score. In fact selective entry schools are just that, they are selective, meaning that they distinguish between people that are to get a spot and those that aren't.

Thus whenever there is an option available, I personally prefer to take the option that I believe is the most equitable. I also believe that the performance of a student is not dependent on which school they go to, but rather their own personal work ethic. I go to a school that does reasonably well for itself, as it is one of the higher up public schools in the State, and yes, when I visit private schools I do see the difference in their facilities and yes when I read the paper at the end of the year, yes I do see more private school students getting 50 study scores, however, I personally believe this is because private schools leech the best students from public schools through scholarships, no wonder they do well. Therefore, I maintain that the students doing well are a result of their own endeavours not due to the school.

As a result, I believe that any school I go to my ATAR will realistically be the same, thus, I decided to stay at my school to prove that I can achieve a solid ATAR whilst attending a local school. Although I concede that there are benefits to private schools, they go against my ideology of a free and unprivatised education system and hence, that is why I recommend local secondary schools.

[b^3]

I do agree that it is not what school you go to, it's how hard you work and how comfortable you feel. It is unfair though that those who have money have a better opportunity to get themselves moving in life. We have to take any opportunity that comes our way when you don't have anything. We have to make the best of every situation we have.

Sorry for getting off topic. I think that your sister should pick the school that shes feel more confortable at, otherwise she won't do her best, she won't reach her full potential.

[azure]

Haileybury. Well, they offer the IB course if your sister is interested in it? I highly recommend it! If I can go back to the start of year 11, I would've picked IB over VCE.

Besides that, the atmosphere seems lovely at Haileybury as well; visited on many occasions, worked with Haileybury students in a music concert when I was still at my old school. The students are extremely friendly and I think they generally enjoy being there from what I could tell back then. Of course, the facilities are also very nice, not to mention, the campus is also massive if it's the one in Keysborough.

[Greatness]

Life sucks. There will always be a disparity in society. I dont know what schools you guys go to, but a majority of you go to very decent ones - even if they are public!
Imo you wont experience and wont know what its like to go to a 'real' public school - one where 75% of the kids dont give a stuff about school, where kids are always stuffing around in class and take the piiss out of everything the teachers say. i mean my school is ok, but if i were able to gain entry into a private school i would gladly go.
No offence but i have to say this, from what ive experienced the kids who go to public schools are much more down to earth, kind and fun than private school kids.

[azure]

It is unfair though that those who have money have a better opportunity to get themselves moving in life. We have to take any opportunity that comes our way when you don't have anything. We have to make the best of every situation we have.

I agree with you. Society is never going to be equal for everyone... in fact, that is absurd and might bring disastrous consequences. Venturing back to the topic.... we just have to accept the way society runs, at least for now. If she's given the opportunity to go to a lovely school (ermm... not that JMSS isn't just as lovely), why not grasp that opportunity if she believes that the environment will help her excel?

[azure]

No offence but i have to say this, from what ive experienced the kids who go to public schools are much more down to earth, kind and fun than private school kids.

Mmm... my experience says otherwise.... Depends on the schools I guess. correction: depends on who you managed to meet from those schools. There are always people at either end of the spectrum within the one school.

[b^3]

It is unfair though that those who have money have a better opportunity to get themselves moving in life. We have to take any opportunity that comes our way when you don't have anything. We have to make the best of every situation we have.

I agree with you. Society is never going to be equal for everyone... in fact, that is absurd and might bring disastrous consequences. Venturing back to the topic.... we just have to accept the way society runs, at least for now. If she's given the opportunity to go to a lovely school (ermm... not that JMSS isn't just as lovely), why not grasp that opportunity if she believes that the environment will help her excel?

I hope I didn't come off as being jealous/critical of those who get the opportunity, that is not what I meant. It's good that she has the opportunity, but not for me not knowing too much about either school, I just think you will do better where you are more comfortable and relaxed enough to work well, unless you thrive under pressure.

[azure]

It is unfair though that those who have money have a better opportunity to get themselves moving in life. We have to take any opportunity that comes our way when you don't have anything. We have to make the best of every situation we have.

I agree with you. Society is never going to be equal for everyone... in fact, that is absurd and might bring disastrous consequences. Venturing back to the topic.... we just have to accept the way society runs, at least for now. If she's given the opportunity to go to a lovely school (ermm... not that JMSS isn't just as lovely), why not grasp that opportunity if she believes that the environment will help her excel?

I hope I didn't come off as being jealous/critical of those who get the opportunity, that is not what I meant. It's good that she has the opportunity, but not for me not knowing too much about either school, I just think you will do better where you are more comfortable and relaxed enough to work well, unless you thrive under pressure.

Oh, not at all. Dw, I didn't interpret it that way Yep, actually agree with you.

Might be good to have her visit both schools and spend a day or two there to see how each school runs.

[Greatness]

No offence but i have to say this, from what ive experienced the kids who go to public schools are much more down to earth, kind and fun than private school kids.

Mmm... my experience says otherwise.... Depends on the schools I guess.

Im sure there are a lot of genuine and nice private school kids, but a lot of the ones ive met are pure cockheads. - This might be a bit of a generalisation as wel...


Back to the topic: Just go to whichever school is closer, the're both good schools id imagine. ive had a cousin go to haileybury and one goes to john monash atm.

[Russ]

yes I do see more private school students getting 50 study scores, however, I personally believe this is because private schools leech the best students from public schools through scholarships, no

Private schools offer nowhere near enough scholarships for all their good scores to be because of that, there's obviously a correlation between improved facilities and improved learning and I don't think you can realistically deny that

[Jdog]

purely because they can afford to go to a private school, what about those that can't afford to go, but are deserving of a place in so called "elite education". I strongly disagree with this notion and hence believe that education should be a resource available to all people for free, equally. Private schools will always and forever be for the people that can afford it and hence, as a result, it is promoting a separation and distinction which should not be present in society.

Furthermore, a similar argument applies to selective entry schools (MacRob MHS JMSS) - it is unfair to students who are not intelligent enough in Year 8 to attain entrance into one of these schools if the end result of schooling is to achieve a good year 12 score. In fact selective entry schools are just that, they are selective, meaning that they distinguish between people that are to get a spot and those that aren't.

Thus whenever there is an option available, I personally prefer to take the option that I believe is the most equitable. I also believe that the performance of a student is not dependent on which school they go to, but rather their own personal work ethic. I go to a school that does reasonably well for itself, as it is one of the higher up public schools in the State, and yes, when I visit private schools I do see the difference in their facilities and yes when I read the paper at the end of the year, yes I do see more private school students getting 50 study scores, however, I personally believe this is because private schools leech the best students from public schools through scholarships, no wonder they do well. Therefore, I maintain that the students doing well are a result of their own endeavours not due to the school.

As a result, I believe that any school I go to my ATAR will realistically be the same, thus, I decided to stay at my school to prove that I can achieve a solid ATAR whilst attending a local school. Although I concede that there are benefits to private schools, they go against my ideology of a free and unprivatised education system and hence, that is why I recommend local secondary schools.

you do realise, that private schools, with the exception of hailebury, give out 3-4 academic scholarships per year level. that could no way result in the results that are achieved.

[paulsterio]

No offence but i have to say this, from what ive experienced the kids who go to public schools are much more down to earth, kind and fun than private school kids.

oh, i don't fully agree with that, i've met some very nice private school kids and i have a lot of friends in private schools as well as public schools

Private schools offer nowhere near enough scholarships for all their good scores to be because of that, there's obviously a correlation between improved facilities and improved learning and I don't think you can realistically deny that

ok, i realistically cannot deny that there is correlation, this actually got me thinking for a couple of hours, but i'm still wondering whether private school cohorts are stronger because they have a more academically capable cohort to begin with or that they actually took kids from the same level as in public schools and "improved" them

now i don't go to a private school, so i wouldn't be sure of this, but all the time i see friends of mine moving to private schools in the hope of some sort of academic gain and in the end they are still where they were because it's about them, not the school