Specialist Math scaling

[Nokiacharger]

Think of it this way, is has been unfair for those who took spesh in the last couple of years as it didn't scale by as much as it should have been scaling by. They are correcting it to make it fair.

so does this mean there have been several illegitimate 99.95'ers meaning scholarships to medicine, law, etc. were wrongly handed out?

this has terrible consequences for many people who may have been border line. Such a frightfully blatant mistake on their part.

Frightfully?

Do you realise in many countries, there is mass corruption with high school scores and you can literally and easily buy your way into university. By comparison, getting 99.90 when it should have been 99.95, 0.05 difference, doesn't seem all that bad.

Frightfully.

I think in instances such as these, you have to appreciate the context of the comment.

I see what you're saying. I just don't think 0.05 difference in someone's ATAR is really THAT big a deal. Maybe for a few days they'll care, but in the long term (steady state lulz) I don't think anybody gives a shit if they got 99.90 or 99.95.

And yes, I think aggregates will go up. Maybe at your private school's, not all of the good students took Specialist. At my western suburbs school, EVERY student who breaks 90 in their ATAR did spesh. So yes, it will go up.

[Jdog]

Think of it this way, is has been unfair for those who took spesh in the last couple of years as it didn't scale by as much as it should have been scaling by. They are correcting it to make it fair.

so does this mean there have been several illegitimate 99.95'ers meaning scholarships to medicine, law, etc. were wrongly handed out?

this has terrible consequences for many people who may have been border line. Such a frightfully blatant mistake on their part.

Frightfully?

Do you realise in many countries, there is mass corruption with high school scores and you can literally and easily buy your way into university. By comparison, getting 99.90 when it should have been 99.95, 0.05 difference, doesn't seem all that bad.

Frightfully.

I think in instances such as these, you have to appreciate the context of the comment.

I see what you're saying. I just don't think 0.05 difference in someone's ATAR is really THAT big a deal. Maybe for a few days they'll care, but in the long term (steady state lulz) I don't think anybody gives a shit if they got 99.90 or 99.95.

And yes, I think aggregates will go up. Maybe at your private school's, not all of the good students took Specialist. At my western suburbs school, EVERY student who breaks 90 in their ATAR did spesh. So yes, it will go up.

i would care, getting a 99.95 means scholarship to medicine 99.90 doesn't.

[Nokiacharger]

I take your point, but I don't think there is an error in the way they have been calculating it anyway. They've just changed the system to make it more fair. The system is never COMPLETELY fair as is nothing in life. So, I guess there have been many illegitimate 99.95ers in that regard, but that's what it is to be human. Just to put some perspective into this, I still think there is a larger discrepancy in English marking than any scaling. EZ getting 45 in English is proof enough. I know at my school the highest SS for lit was 43 last year and the kid who got it was umm, not the most deserving, the teachers had a massive WTFFF!!! moment.

[Zebra]

I take your point, but I don't think there is an error in the way they have been calculating it anyway. They've just changed the system to make it more fair. The system is never COMPLETELY fair as is nothing in life. So, I guess there have been many illegitimate 99.95ers in that regard, but that's what it is to be human. Just to put some perspective into this, I still think there is a larger discrepancy in English marking than any scaling. EZ getting 45 in English is proof enough. I know at my school the highest SS for lit was 43 last year and the kid who got it was umm, not the most deserving, the teachers had a massive WTFFF!!! moment.

 I could've easily acheived 99.95 but cuz I wasn't motivated I didn't.  I think the system is very unfair and flawed because it doesn't put everyone on the same motivated level.

[Greatness]

But they didnt have the stats etc to revise their scaling process, it would have only affected a minority anyway. Not like it would adversly affect them, they'll still get scholarships depending on the degrees they do and they'll probably do big things in the future.

[david10d]

guys can i get a TLDR please haha

[Mao]

guys can i get a TLDR please haha

TL;DR, the method for scaling changes. Specialist students benefits. Past students may be at a slight disadvantage. People may have missed out on scholarships. VTAC is corrupt, trololol.


Look at the bigger picture, scholarship or not, people who are talented will end up in a good position/job/whatever. If you ask any .90ers whether they feel ripped off, I bet every one of them will tell you how content and satisfied they are with their achievements.

[david10d]

SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET

[nacho]

does this mean that if spesh scales more, so to will methods?

[WhoTookMyUsername]

I take your point, but I don't think there is an error in the way they have been calculating it anyway. They've just changed the system to make it more fair. The system is never COMPLETELY fair as is nothing in life. So, I guess there have been many illegitimate 99.95ers in that regard, but that's what it is to be human. Just to put some perspective into this, I still think there is a larger discrepancy in English marking than any scaling. EZ getting 45 in English is proof enough. I know at my school the highest SS for lit was 43 last year and the kid who got it was umm, not the most deserving, the teachers had a massive WTFFF!!! moment.

 I could've easily acheived 99.95 but cuz I wasn't motivated I didn't.  I think the system is very unfair and flawed because it doesn't put everyone on the same motivated level.

It's up to the individual to motivate themselves

[b^3]

I take your point, but I don't think there is an error in the way they have been calculating it anyway. They've just changed the system to make it more fair. The system is never COMPLETELY fair as is nothing in life. So, I guess there have been many illegitimate 99.95ers in that regard, but that's what it is to be human. Just to put some perspective into this, I still think there is a larger discrepancy in English marking than any scaling. EZ getting 45 in English is proof enough. I know at my school the highest SS for lit was 43 last year and the kid who got it was umm, not the most deserving, the teachers had a massive WTFFF!!! moment.

 I could've easily acheived 99.95 but cuz I wasn't motivated I didn't.  I think the system is very unfair and flawed because it doesn't put everyone on the same motivated level.

It's up to the individual to motivate themselves

VCE is not how "smart" are, it's how hard you work. (given that intelligence and motivation does play a role in what you could achieve)

In the end working hard at the hard subjects will reward you.

[acinod]

does this mean that if spesh scales more, so to will methods?

From that VCAA document, it says that only spesh will change and the other maths will be relatively the same. Spesh scaling changes because they now take into account the scores that the kids got in Year 11. As a result, the cohort of Spesh is determined to be higher and so scaling goes up.

[Russ]

VCE is not how "smart" are, it's how hard you work. (given that intelligence and motivation does play a role in what you could achieve)

It's about how hard you can work whilst playing the system

[jinny1]

Do Latin.

Walk in to the Exam. Sit Down. Have a nice nap. Leave Exam.

And you get scaled score of 35....

[Natters]

if it goes up 11 then i will get 85 from nothing but 30's
abusing the scaling win!