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Re: Monash General Chat
« Reply #1695 on: September 05, 2014, 04:41:38 pm »
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Most of the clubs are non-political. I think they wont give a crap about SALT. They'll either see them as annoying or just simply not care, or so i'm predicting. I dont reckon they'll make it unless they can hurry up and make a convincing case (i think their guilt in that antisemitic/discriminatory incident is clear too).

Your probably right, but I'm holding out for the chance that everyone's just sick and tired of copping SA abuse day in, day out. As for their case, they've been caught out lying about their actions several times (with a good deal of pictorial evidence, which I'm sure you've seen) so I doubt they can bully their way out of this.

I'm also hoping that with the removal of the SA as a funded body, there will be a greater advent of moderate/centrist student activism that doesn't embarrass its relative parent ideologies.

In other news, who is happy they opened up the path to Hargrave again? You dont have to go all the way around through engineering anymore! The bit they're still working on is actually turning out to look pretty nice.

Whaaaa? When did this happen? I don't even remember what it's like to get easy access to HAL hahaha
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Re: Monash General Chat
« Reply #1696 on: September 05, 2014, 06:22:29 pm »
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Re: Monash General Chat
« Reply #1697 on: September 05, 2014, 06:43:13 pm »
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What does it take to get an 85+ ATAR?
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Re: Monash General Chat
« Reply #1698 on: September 05, 2014, 11:18:51 pm »
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Just finished my application. 4 out of my 12 spots were for Monash! (bachelor of science, bachelor of biomedical science, science/commerce, and physio)!

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Re: Monash General Chat
« Reply #1699 on: September 06, 2014, 03:19:44 am »
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Regarding the Socialist Alternative deregistration, I was told by some people that this is in fact not the first time Socialist Alternative has been deregistered. This does appear to make some degree of sense - suppose that SA gets deregistered in a couple of weeks, then in a couple of years' time some people try to start it up again. Rejecting this on the basis of the actions of a past club would be somewhat unfair, unless it could somehow be proven that the new applicants intended to do the same thing as the old ones (which might genuinely not be the case). The fact that the current incarnation of SA managed to be registered as a club demonstrates that their 'official' aims and objectives were deemed tolerable by Clubs and Societies, all *actual* behaviour aside. Therefore, with current regulations, should some enthusiastic SA people try to start a club in a couple of years, I don't see a defensible reason to turn them down completely.

In any case, I predict that the Socialist Alternative will be deregistered at the meeting in two weeks' time. Not every instance of a club breaching the C&S Constitution is instantly punished by deregistration (for example, the recently-deregistered Geological Society failed three Audits; the exact letter of the law states the 'default' punishment for failing even one is deregistration). However, I would like to point out the following: the mere fact that we are having an Appeal Hearing means that the C&S Committee (basically the people who run C&S, akin to the committee of a regular club) already has judged that the actions of SA have merited deregistration, not 'just' because they breached the official club rules, but also taking into account a chance for the club to  explain/clarify/apologise and other opportunities for correspondence.

There has been an official statement from the C&S President, (which I'm refraining from posting here just in case I'm not meant to), which reaffirms the point made in the last paragraph - SA and the C&S Committee have had a Misconduct Hearing to discuss their actions, and C&S came to the decision that SA should be deregistered. The people who make up that committee are students just like you and me, so I really don't think their judgement would be too different to that of the average club office bearer. Hence, I can't really see any reason why club office bearers would not end up coming to the same (or a very similar) conclusion regarding the SA (unless for some reason, SA has been withholding information/evidence up to this point, which I think is incredibly unlikely).

What about alternative penalties? I don't think most people would consider demoting (essentially reducing the amount of funding a club can get from C&S and additional restrictions) to be the most appropriate/direct way of resolving this issue. While it might partly limit the power of SA, I don't see how it directly addresses the problem with their approach/ideology. There is the alternative penalty of being "directed to apologise". This isn't an impossible outcome, but I personally believe it is unlikely because of the following:

Firstly, SA made a premeditated decision to force everyone who attended the event to sign a petition. Surely their committee would have discussed what to do if people wanted to attend the event, but not sign. Evidently, the result of this discussion was, "we'll prevent them from entering". The issue is being treated as a matter of discrimination, which clearly demonstrates the gravity of the situation. I don't think SA will attract much sympathy from anybody with this kind of mindset.

Secondly, I reiterate my earlier remarks regarding the Misconduct Hearing SA and C&S have had. I am confident that had the punishment of being "directed to apologise" been a reasonable outcome from SA's actions, C&S would have offered it to them. From personal experience, C&S does not act rashly, and definitely aims to give clubs a chance to demonstrate their ability to learn from mistakes. Had this option been available, most clubs would have taken it, as the alternative is risking potential deregistration for very little gain. So either this option was not offered, because it was not viewed as an adequate response to alleged discrimination, or it was offered but declined. I don't think a prideful approach will win SA many fans either.

Thus, I reckon that the only way in which SA won't be deregistered is if enough clubs don't care about them (as studpomba points out). However, apparently there has been a very large amount of interest both from club office bearers and general students alike regarding this issue. I genuinely believe most university students already disapprove of SA's approach, and it will take active convincing to change their minds - so the result of relative apathy is a negative outcome for SA. I personally have not been to any Misconduct Appeal Hearings, but I have spoken to people who have, and also read the minutes from them. There is usually a decent turnout of club representatives (one of the responsibilities of being a club is attending C&S meetings in any case), and it seems that they do respect the laws by which clubs must follow.

In short, I honestly think circumstances would have to change a very large amount between now and the next two weeks, in order for the SA to have much hope of not being deregistered. That's just my two cents, from the perspective of being a former club secretary. With regard to alondouek's point on whether the fate of SA will lead to less 'extreme' active political groups, I'm interested to see if the C&S Constitution (which basically lays down the procedures and guiding principles behind all clubs) will be changed in order to prevent/discourage this sort of thing from happening in future.

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Re: Monash General Chat
« Reply #1700 on: September 06, 2014, 02:34:26 pm »
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No, did you?

I did, just wondering if anybody has heard back from them yet.  :)

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Re: Monash General Chat
« Reply #1701 on: September 09, 2014, 06:36:44 pm »
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Okay, so I've basically just gone behind my tutor's back to get alternate feedback from another tutor who I trust, who agrees with me that the grade I recieved was excessively harsh and that I might have a case for remarking with a view towards getting a higher mark. That's great, and I'm going into consultation with the tutor who gave me the mark I felt was unfair, but I just thought I might query on here as to what people's experiences are with this matter.

The subject this is for has a later major essay that accounts for 55% of my total grade for the unit, and as an essay, that tutor is going to have a great deal of discretion when it comes to marking it. If I, for want of a better word, undermine their authority right now, is that likely to incline her towards marking me down later in the semester? Obviously they can't do that, but maybe some kind of unconscious "oh, that's the kid who made me look bad" type thing. I don't want to step on anyone's toes, but I really can't accept the grade I recieved for my first assessment task. I basically have to get 85+ on both the essay and the exam now to recover a HD for the unit, and that's just blarghhh

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Re: Monash General Chat
« Reply #1702 on: September 09, 2014, 06:49:05 pm »
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Okay, so I've basically just gone behind my tutor's back to get alternate feedback from another tutor who I trust, who agrees with me that the grade I recieved was excessively harsh and that I might have a case for remarking with a view towards getting a higher mark. That's great, and I'm going into consultation with the tutor who gave me the mark I felt was unfair, but I just thought I might query on here as to what people's experiences are with this matter.

The subject this is for has a later major essay that accounts for 55% of my total grade for the unit, and as an essay, that tutor is going to have a great deal of discretion when it comes to marking it. If I, for want of a better word, undermine their authority right now, is that likely to incline her towards marking me down later in the semester? Obviously they can't do that, but maybe some kind of unconscious "oh, that's the kid who made me look bad" type thing. I don't want to step on anyone's toes, but I really can't accept the grade I recieved for my first assessment task. I basically have to get 85+ on both the essay and the exam now to recover a HD for the unit, and that's just blarghhh

I have a friend who tutored MAT1830 last semester, and whenever she was marking, she didn't actually know who the student was until she was putting their marks into moodle. Assuming that this will be the case with your unit, they won't be able to "penalise" you because they won't know you. Others may have different stories, though, and if your tutor does know whose paper is whose, their might be some nagging in the back of their head about it...

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Re: Monash General Chat
« Reply #1703 on: September 09, 2014, 07:02:00 pm »
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If I, for want of a better word, undermine their authority right now, is that likely to incline her towards marking me down later in the semester? Obviously they can't do that, but maybe some kind of unconscious "oh, that's the kid who made me look bad" type thing.

"Oh, that's the kid who made me look bad. Better take marks off him arbitrarily so he definitely won't complain about his marks again"

If anything it would be the opposite :P
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Re: Monash General Chat
« Reply #1704 on: September 09, 2014, 07:04:35 pm »
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"Oh, that's the kid who made me look bad. Better take marks off him arbitrarily so he definitely won't complain about his marks again"

If anything it would be the opposite :P
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Re: Monash General Chat
« Reply #1705 on: September 09, 2014, 08:31:54 pm »
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Is it possible to get into Journalism/Business or Arts/Secondary Education with an 83 or so ATAR, even though the required ATAR is 85 and with a SEAS application?

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Re: Monash General Chat
« Reply #1706 on: September 09, 2014, 08:46:42 pm »
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Is it possible to get into Journalism/Business or Arts/Secondary Education with an 83 or so ATAR, even though the required ATAR is 85 and with a SEAS application?
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Re: Monash General Chat
« Reply #1707 on: September 09, 2014, 09:30:07 pm »
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Re: Monash General Chat
« Reply #1708 on: September 09, 2014, 09:32:03 pm »
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I saw this.
Once again, Monash have made doing a subject and its co-req REALLY annoying for me. Hopefully it's fixed for the actual exam timetable...

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Re: Monash General Chat
« Reply #1709 on: September 09, 2014, 09:41:39 pm »
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lol all of my exams are in the last week

could be worse