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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #225 on: February 08, 2012, 03:58:33 am »
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Got the same answer as Phy124, and now that I look at it again, it was basically the same method (no calculus)

To do it without calculus
.....[1]
.....[2]
Find the point of intersection(s)

Now for it to be a tangent, there has to be only one solution (as it can only 'touch' if it is a tangent).
So make the discriminat equal 0


x=0 may also work (i.e. m=undefined), not 100% sure on that one though https://www.desmos.com/calculator/yza2kvrylr
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #226 on: February 08, 2012, 04:01:06 am »
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sure the derivative of mx=x? :P
And this ladies and gentlemen is why you don't make comments after 12am..

mx = m *facepalm*

Well now that that's out of the way, I might be able to do it using derivative's... only one way to find out ;)

On second thought, I still don't know how you could do it using differentiation (for different reasons of course  ;)) certainly open to suggestions, though.
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #227 on: February 08, 2012, 06:53:10 pm »
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Hey guys,

I need some help about getting this equation into y=a(x-b)^3+c form and then finding out the dilation. I'm having trouble getting the coefficient of x out of the brackets. Equation is attached.

Thanks. :)
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #228 on: February 08, 2012, 07:01:02 pm »
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Using index laws, this simplifies to:

=>

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« Reply #229 on: February 08, 2012, 07:02:38 pm »
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So assuming the original graph is
- Dilation of factor factor 2 from the x-axis
- Translation of 5/2 units in the negative direction of the x-axis

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #230 on: February 08, 2012, 07:06:59 pm »
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Ah, I see now. Thank you!  :D
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #231 on: February 09, 2012, 12:29:51 am »
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sure the derivative of mx=x? :P
And this ladies and gentlemen is why you don't make comments after 12am..

mx = m *facepalm*

Well now that that's out of the way, I might be able to do it using derivative's... only one way to find out ;)

On second thought, I still don't know how you could do it using differentiation (for different reasons of course  ;)) certainly open to suggestions, though.


I wouldnt bother.
Firstly, for the purposes of this problem, using MM 3/4 methods, the solution already posted does the job.

If you want to find both tangents, then you probably have to use calculus, but this will take you to the limits of Spesh, let alone MM 3/4

For starters, you have to differentiate the equation of the circle, and to avoid an ugly mess, you need implicit differentiation which you are not supposed to know in MM 3/4. This will give you an expression for dy/dx in terms of both x and y.

Then in order to find both tangents you will need to rephrase the problem slightly, ie you need to find the tangents which pass through the external point (0, -1) and not simply the tangents which have an equation of the form y=mx-1.

And you still have to do lots of algebra anyway :)
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #232 on: February 09, 2012, 01:00:08 am »
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following on what b^3 and argonaut said, there is a general method of finding tangential points, I'm in a proofy mood these days so...

Useless computational technique for methods? Yes

Useful exercise? Yes

oh btw if you're a methods student, then just ignore what's beneath, it's just my random musing, as you can see i'm bored and what do you do when you're bored? YOU START PROOFING



Consider any curve , tangent is given by and assume we need to find the tangent at point

Obviously, and let be equation of the tangent line.

Note that

Then :

Assume our curve f(x) is an algebraic curve, then note that homogeneity exists if , note the general case and so applying Euler's Theorem yields the generality , then:



Applying this to our algebraic curve, yields the homogeneous equation:



Applying this above equation yields our tangential line:

(clearly z=1)

this is pretty useful especially when finding tangents to homogeneous polynomials (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homogeneous_polynomial) and a few other families ;)
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #233 on: February 09, 2012, 01:03:00 am »
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #234 on: February 09, 2012, 01:14:56 am »
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I wouldnt bother.
Firstly, for the purposes of this problem, using MM 3/4 methods, the solution already posted does the job.

etc.


following on what b^3 and argonaut said, there is a general method of finding tangential points, I'm in a proofy mood these days so...


etc.
Ah k thanks for clearing that up guys, glad to know I hadn't forgotten anything from methods.

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #235 on: February 09, 2012, 05:38:08 pm »
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ABCD is a quadrilateral with angle ABC a right angle. D lies on  the perpendicular bisector of AB. The coordinates  of A and B are (7,2) abd (2,5) respectively. The equation of the line is AD is y=4x-26

a) the equation of the perpendicular bisector of line segment AB.
b)Find the coordinates of point D
c) find the gradient of line BC
d)Find the value of the second coordinate C of the point (8,c)
e)Find the aread of quadrilateral ABCD






Another question

if A=(-4,6) and B=(6,-7) find.
a) the coordinates of the midpoint of AB
b)the length of AB
c)the distance between A and B
d) The equation of AB
e) The equation of the perpendicular bisector of AB
f) the coordinates of P, where P element of Ab and AP:PB=3:1
g) the coordinates of P,where P element of AB and AP:AB=3:1


A triangle ABC with A(1,1) and B(-1,4). The gradients AB, AC and BC are -3m,3m and m respectively.
a) find the value of m
b) find the coordiantes of C
 c) show that AC=2AB


Solve the following pairs of simulataneous equations  for x and y.
(a+b)x+cy=bc
(b+c)y+ax=-ab


Write s in terms of a in the following
as=a+h
h+ah=1

Find the values of b & C for which the equation  x+5y=4 and 2x+by=c have:
a)unique solution   b) an infinite soln and no solutions



Thank you so much on who ever can help me i really did try them all but i could not get them would appreciate anyones help i really need to understand them all

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #236 on: February 09, 2012, 06:53:44 pm »
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sure the derivative of mx=x? :P
And this ladies and gentlemen is why you don't make comments after 12am..

mx = m *facepalm*

Well now that that's out of the way, I might be able to do it using derivative's... only one way to find out ;)

On second thought, I still don't know how you could do it using differentiation (for different reasons of course  ;)) certainly open to suggestions, though.


I wouldnt bother.
Firstly, for the purposes of this problem, using MM 3/4 methods, the solution already posted does the job.

If you want to find both tangents, then you probably have to use calculus, but this will take you to the limits of Spesh, let alone MM 3/4

For starters, you have to differentiate the equation of the circle, and to avoid an ugly mess, you need implicit differentiation which you are not supposed to know in MM 3/4. This will give you an expression for dy/dx in terms of both x and y.

Then in order to find both tangents you will need to rephrase the problem slightly, ie you need to find the tangents which pass through the external point (0, -1) and not simply the tangents which have an equation of the form y=mx-1.

And you still have to do lots of algebra anyway :)

i do spesh too, hence why i was interested in knowing :p

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lol, i lost him at 'obviously'.
that cant be a good sign... :p

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #237 on: February 09, 2012, 07:42:34 pm »
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A car travels half the distance of a journey at an average speed of 80km/h and half at an average speed of x km/h
Define a function, S, which gives the average speed for the total journey as a function of x

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #238 on: February 09, 2012, 08:45:49 pm »
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ABCD is a quadrilateral with angle ABC a right angle. D lies on  the perpendicular bisector of AB. The coordinates  of A and B are (7,2) abd (2,5) respectively. The equation of the line is AD is y=4x-26

a) the equation of the perpendicular bisector of line segment AB.
b)Find the coordinates of point D
c) find the gradient of line BC
d)Find the value of the second coordinate C of the point (8,c)
e)Find the aread of quadrilateral ABCD

Hey I've attached the answers I wrote for the first question (fingers crossed I didn't make any mistakes).

First page or two also includes some basics which you probably don't need; I just felt like writing them, so don't feel that I underestimated your math ability :P

Also sorry for the pdf quality; had to compress it >_<

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« Reply #239 on: February 09, 2012, 09:35:21 pm »
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Write s in terms of a in the following
as=a+h
h+ah=1

Ok, here you have three variables; a, h and s. But you want to make an equation involving only a and s. So you must make h the subject of both of your equations and then equate them in order to eliminate the 'h' variable:


   [equation 1]



   [equation 2]

Now equate equation 1 and equation 2:




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