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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #4845 on: May 21, 2014, 08:33:54 pm »
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Hi there

I have a question that came up:
So basically the x turning point is defined
As x=(m/2)^(1/(2+m))

I would like to know what happens to x as
m increases. More specific than just 'x increases as m increases'
Thanks in advance for you help!

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #4846 on: May 21, 2014, 08:48:04 pm »
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Erm guys if a question says round off to 2 decimal places and values needed for the answer have like 5 decimal places in the calc, is it ok if I round them off first then use them to find the answer?
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #4847 on: May 21, 2014, 08:51:07 pm »
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Erm guys if a question says round off to 2 decimal places and values needed for the answer have like 5 decimal places in the calc, is it ok if I round them off first then use them to find the answer?

You generally want to use exact values up to the point when you use the final calculation. If you really like using D.Ps rounded, go into Float 9 on your calc, minimises error percentage.

Why?

Reason: Let's say I used 0.9864 and I just rounded it up to 0.99.
If we just cubed it, the final answer will be different based on which one we used above. This can lead to loss of marks if you have a strict marker. Obviously, it's not guaranteed to lose you a mark, but generally: Play it safe :) why put yourself into the risk of losing marks when you can avoid it entirely?

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #4848 on: May 21, 2014, 08:57:42 pm »
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Open bracket = open circle unless of course your function can't be defined at that point (like y=1/x defined for (0, inf) as you can't possibly define y for x=0 there)

Hi there

I have a question that came up:
So basically the x turning point is defined
As x=(m/2)^(1/(2+m))

I would like to know what happens to x as
m increases. More specific than just 'x increases as m increases'
Thanks in advance for you help!

Erm...I'm actually not entirely convinced x does increase as m increases. The thing is, as m increases, the power it's raised to decreases.
Let's see. Taking a limit as m approaches infinity: (don't worry if this is gibberish to you, this is just working for those interested)

The limit is approaching zero, so the limit of e raised to the power of the limit would return 1. So paradoxically, x decreases as m increases. Try graphing it on your calculator.

Alternatively, you can try differentiating x as a function of m and seeing what happens. Even though the derivative is awful.




Now the exponential is always positive, and (m+2)/m is pretty close to 1 for large m. Therefore, the fact that there is a -ln(m/2) in the numerator, which does increase without bound as m increases, shows that as m increases, the derivative dx/dm is always negative.

Erm guys if a question says round off to 2 decimal places and values needed for the answer have like 5 decimal places in the calc, is it ok if I round them off first then use them to find the answer?

As previously mentioned, NEVER round your answers off before the end. You have a calculator; use its ability to use previous numbers.
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #4849 on: May 21, 2014, 08:58:36 pm »
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But today I got a question and it says find the duration. I solve for t and I get 5.01....,6.98......,12.01.....,13.98...... Then I need to do (second-first)+(fourth-third). Are we still expected to use the values with so many decimal places?
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #4850 on: May 21, 2014, 09:01:12 pm »
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Yes. Especially if it's a CAS question
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #4851 on: May 21, 2014, 09:03:08 pm »
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Yes. Especially if it's a CAS question
Kk thanks for confirming. But what should I write for my steps if the values used have many decimal places?
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #4852 on: May 21, 2014, 09:05:06 pm »
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if sin(x)=0.3 then what will cos(pi - x) be? With no Calculator?

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #4853 on: May 21, 2014, 09:10:35 pm »
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if sin(x)=0.3 then what will cos(pi - x) be? With no Calculator?
sin(x)=0.3=3/10
draw a triangle with 3 as one of the sides and 10 as the hypotenuse.
use pythagoras theorem to find 3rd side 
      let a=3rd side a=root of (10^2 - 3^2)
                               =root(91)
cos(pi-x) = - cos(x)
               = - [root(91)] / 10
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #4854 on: May 21, 2014, 09:12:19 pm »
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Kk thanks for confirming. But what should I write for my steps if the values used have many decimal places?

Then write down like two more decimal places than the question requires for the answer. Give working to 7 decimal places if the answer wants 5. This way, even if you put that rounded 7 decimal place answer into your calculator, it's highly unlikely your answer won't be correct to 5.

if sin(x)=0.3 then what will cos(pi - x) be? With no Calculator?

Well...cos(pi - x) = -cos(x) but you're not given the quadrant x is in, so you have two different signs.



sin(x)=0.3=3/10
draw a triangle with 3 as one of the sides and 10 as the hypotenuse.
use pythagoras theorem to find 3rd side 
      let a=3rd side a=root of (10^2 - 3^2)
                               =root(91)
cos(pi-x) = - cos(x)
               = - [root(91)] / 10

Be careful as the quadrant hasn't been specified....
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #4855 on: May 21, 2014, 09:15:43 pm »
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Be careful as the quadrant hasn't been specified....

oops my mistake. thanks for reminding.
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #4856 on: May 21, 2014, 09:17:37 pm »
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #4857 on: May 21, 2014, 09:19:46 pm »
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Hey thanks lnxl but still not quite sure

The actual question was y=x^n +  x^(-m)

I then derived this to get (m/n)^(1/(n+m))

The question then said to make n=2

Therefore, i found that when m increases from
1 to 4, x increases

Just wanted to get more details on the relationship
Of this increase

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« Reply #4858 on: May 21, 2014, 09:23:42 pm »
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Hey thanks lnxl but still not quite sure

The actual question was y=x^n +  x^(-m)

I then derived this to get (m/n)^(1/(n+m))

The question then said to make n=2

Therefore, i found that when m increases from
1 to 4, x increases

Just wanted to get more details on the relationship
Of this increase


Sorry i forgot to mention that i first equated the derived function to 0 to
Find the x stationary pt which was x= (m/n)^(1/(m+n))

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #4859 on: May 21, 2014, 09:39:47 pm »
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When you identify a stationary point as a stationary point of inflection (through a gradient sign test or otherwise), do you need to state whether it is positive or negative?
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