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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #6960 on: November 28, 2014, 01:14:40 pm »
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ok i see how that happens, but why is it that? is there proof?

because (3x-3)^2 can because 3(x-1)^2 is the dilation 3 now? do i get the dilation in its expanded form or factorised form e.g. a(x-b)^n +c where a is dilation,??

firstly, nice answer sir.jonse, i just thought i'd add to it;

is not the same as
(not the same as )
this does imply that;
a value of 9 outside the bracket has the same impact on the shape of a parabola (a dilation by a factor of 9 parallel to y axis/away from x axis) as a coefficient of 3 on the x term does (a dilation by a factor of 1/3 parallel to x / away from y)

hence, dilation by 1/3 from y is the same as dilation by 9 from x
try this out and you'll see that it works (for parabolas)



as for why it's a dilation of 1/3 when the 3 is on the x, well, it's kinda the same for y except we usually get y by itself. let me explain. a more native way of describing this dilation from the x axis (parallel to y axis) is by saying y_new = 9 * y_old (normally we say y_new is y' and y_old is just y)

so y' = 9y
and our equation is for example

make the substitution, is the new formula describing the dilation


for dilations in x it's the same story, x_new = 1/3 x_old describes a dialtion by a factor of 1/3 from the x axis
so x' = 1/3 x
and our equation is

but this time, to make the substitution and get a new equation with x' in it, we need to change x' = 1/3 x to 3x' = x

we then substitute 3x' for x, and get as our new equation


hope that example helps a bit, this is one of the trickyest things to get your head around in methods!
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #6961 on: November 28, 2014, 02:11:12 pm »
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firstly, nice answer sir.jonse, i just thought i'd add to it;

is not the same as
(not the same as )
this does imply that;
a value of 9 outside the bracket has the same impact on the shape of a parabola (a dilation by a factor of 9 parallel to y axis/away from x axis) as a coefficient of 3 on the x term does (a dilation by a factor of 1/3 parallel to x / away from y)

hence, dilation by 1/3 from y is the same as dilation by 9 from x
try this out and you'll see that it works (for parabolas)



as for why it's a dilation of 1/3 when the 3 is on the x, well, it's kinda the same for y except we usually get y by itself. let me explain. a more native way of describing this dilation from the x axis (parallel to y axis) is by saying y_new = 9 * y_old (normally we say y_new is y' and y_old is just y)

so y' = 9y
and our equation is for example

make the substitution, is the new formula describing the dilation


for dilations in x it's the same story, x_new = 1/3 x_old describes a dialtion by a factor of 1/3 from the x axis
so x' = 1/3 x
and our equation is

but this time, to make the substitution and get a new equation with x' in it, we need to change x' = 1/3 x to 3x' = x

we then substitute 3x' for x, and get as our new equation


hope that example helps a bit, this is one of the trickyest things to get your head around in methods!
Yeah... I was somewhat close to what you said :P
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #6962 on: November 28, 2014, 02:35:38 pm »
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silverpixeli - I LOVE that explanation and plan to steal it for myself! However, just one small nitpick...

(not the same as )
this does imply that;
a value of 9 outside the bracket has the same impact on the shape of a parabola (a dilation by a factor of 9 parallel to y axis/away from x axis) as a coefficient of 3 on the x term does (a dilation by a factor of 1/3 parallel to x / away from y)

Except, you've ignored the point at which the parabola turns. If we consider , then , and . So, a dilation by factor 9 parrallel to y is not equivalent to a dilation by factor 1/3 parallel to x.

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« Reply #6963 on: November 28, 2014, 02:42:47 pm »
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silverpixeli - I LOVE that explanation and plan to steal it for myself! However, just one small nitpick...

Except, you've ignored the point at which the parabola turns. If we consider , then , and . So, a dilation by factor 9 parrallel to y is not equivalent to a dilation by factor 1/3 parallel to x.

touche,

good pickup, the translation is affected by the dilation from y. If there was no translation (y=x^2) then the dilations would produce the same shaped parabola. in any event, they do produce the same change in shape.
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #6964 on: November 28, 2014, 03:35:25 pm »
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Noob question, but how do you use the math symbols without typing them, like silverpixeli did above??
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« Reply #6965 on: November 28, 2014, 04:03:41 pm »
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Noob question, but how do you use the math symbols without typing them, like silverpixeli did above??

Assuming you mean like this:


Then it's DEFINITELY NOT a "noob question". ;)

We do it through the LaTeX type-setter. You can find some useful resources to learn it here, including a beginner guide for forum use.

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« Reply #6966 on: November 28, 2014, 04:59:22 pm »
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Assuming you mean like this:


Then it's DEFINITELY NOT a "noob question". ;)

We do it through the LaTeX type-setter. You can find some useful resources to learn it here, including a beginner guide for forum use.
Yeah thats it haha, thanks!
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #6967 on: November 28, 2014, 05:01:12 pm »
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How would you do this question?

A rectangular area, 14m by 16m is to be divided into 4 equal garden beds.Between each section there is a x-metre wide path.

find a formula for the total area of the path?

Thanks  :)

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #6968 on: November 28, 2014, 05:04:46 pm »
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How would you do this question?

A rectangular area, 14m by 16m is to be divided into 4 equal garden beds.Between each section there is a x-metre wide path.

find a formula for the total area of the path?

Thanks  :)

There are a few different ways to set this up, and each one that I think of will lead to a different answer depending on the set-up (but would be right for that particular set-up).

Does this particular question come with a picture?

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« Reply #6969 on: November 29, 2014, 12:42:49 am »
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Hi my school is currently going through headstart .

The other day one of our methods 3/4 teachers were saying that if we were looking to get at least a 40 in methods we should be aiming to complete 3 textbooks,or at least 2.

I was just thinking about this and thought that this was way too much and can cause the risk of burning out . I was thinking to do only one textbook which is what the school uses(maths quest) and then just do exam style questions after that.

what would you guys do in my position and also do you think it is necessary to complete all the 3 textbooks.
How would you guys go about preparing for sacs after you finish the relevant chapters in the book .Where would you get the extra questions from and how do we go about having questions to do all the time once the book questions run out.In particular how would you find exam style questions for  sac preparation.

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« Reply #6970 on: November 29, 2014, 01:05:55 am »
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Hi my school is currently going through headstart .

The other day one of our methods 3/4 teachers were saying that if we were looking to get at least a 40 in methods we should be aiming to complete 3 textbooks,or at least 2.

I was just thinking about this and thought that this was way too much and can cause the risk of burning out . I was thinking to do only one textbook which is what the school uses(maths quest) and then just do exam style questions after that.

what would you guys do in my position and also do you think it is necessary to complete all the 3 textbooks.
How would you guys go about preparing for sacs after you finish the relevant chapters in the book .Where would you get the extra questions from and how do we go about having questions to do all the time once the book questions run out.In particular how would you find exam style questions for  sac preparation.

I did all the review questions in the Essentials book in year 9 for Methods 3/4 and didn't really study in year 11 when I sat the exam. Point is, doing the Essentials book well is likely to be more than enough preparation for the exam.
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #6971 on: November 29, 2014, 02:01:59 am »
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Hi my school is currently going through headstart .

The other day one of our methods 3/4 teachers were saying that if we were looking to get at least a 40 in methods we should be aiming to complete 3 textbooks,or at least 2.

I was just thinking about this and thought that this was way too much and can cause the risk of burning out . I was thinking to do only one textbook which is what the school uses(maths quest) and then just do exam style questions after that.

what would you guys do in my position and also do you think it is necessary to complete all the 3 textbooks.
How would you guys go about preparing for sacs after you finish the relevant chapters in the book .Where would you get the extra questions from and how do we go about having questions to do all the time once the book questions run out.In particular how would you find exam style questions for  sac preparation.

I got the second highest score in my school, and the highest was a 43.

I can promise you that neither of us finished even one textbook - it's just not good practice for exams. The only reason to do textbook questions is so that you can make sure you understand the concept. If you're having trouble understanding the concept, doing more textbooks isn't going to help you - if anything, it'll make the issue worse. One is definitely more than enough. (for reference, my school used essentials)

For SAC preparation, I did past SACs as supplied by the school, ran through checkpoints and the review sections of my textbook.

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« Reply #6972 on: November 29, 2014, 02:26:51 pm »
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Hi my school is currently going through headstart .

The other day one of our methods 3/4 teachers were saying that if we were looking to get at least a 40 in methods we should be aiming to complete 3 textbooks,or at least 2.

I was just thinking about this and thought that this was way too much and can cause the risk of burning out . I was thinking to do only one textbook which is what the school uses(maths quest) and then just do exam style questions after that.

what would you guys do in my position and also do you think it is necessary to complete all the 3 textbooks.
How would you guys go about preparing for sacs after you finish the relevant chapters in the book .Where would you get the extra questions from and how do we go about having questions to do all the time once the book questions run out.In particular how would you find exam style questions for  sac preparation.

Did like 20% of my textbook this year, you really don't need to even fully finish one. Just do plenty of trial exams and analyse your mistakes, that's what really matters :)
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« Reply #6973 on: November 29, 2014, 05:39:29 pm »
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Can someone explain why a composite function (e.g. g(f(x))) is only defined when the range of f(x) is the subset of the dom g?

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« Reply #6974 on: November 29, 2014, 06:15:11 pm »
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Can someone explain why a composite function (e.g. g(f(x))) is only defined when the range of f(x) is the subset of the dom g?
You replace the "x" value in g(x) function by the value/the range of f(x). So all the value of f(x) that you sub as "x" acts as a domain for the function g. Thus, for g to be defined, range of f must satisfy/present as a subset of Dom of f. Hope this makes sense.
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