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« Reply #7005 on: November 30, 2014, 09:16:36 pm »
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No no no sorry haha.
Id defiantly help out a mate no arguing that. I meant recommending it to the head of maths so she could send it down to others, even the already strong ones?

Haha not telling my mate is dog as...

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« Reply #7006 on: November 30, 2014, 11:14:24 pm »
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.... I mean, it's certainly possible to do this to a graph.

But like, it's entirely beyond the scope of methods.

(the answer to your other question is coming)

How would you do this i am curious?

also can you please help me with  the question i asked before i don't understand how the area is 16x of the separate rectangle because thats only one side of it 

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« Reply #7007 on: November 30, 2014, 11:29:30 pm »
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No no no sorry haha.
Id defiantly help out a mate no arguing that. I meant recommending it to the head of maths so she could send it down to others, even the already strong ones?

Haha not telling my mate is dog as...

Yeah, unfortunately the 'tall poppy' syndrome is very prominent in today's VCE.
For a 'secret' headstart you'd be surprised at what people try to do :(
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« Reply #7008 on: December 01, 2014, 12:06:19 am »
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Regardless of scaling and all that jazz, you should help out your mates if they need tuition or are struggling with an area that you can assist in. You should do this from the heart, not for wanting your school to do good so your SACs get scaled lol, do good and good will come back to you. Just imagine you needed last minute help before the exam, and you ask someone but they refuse to help, because they want to do better than you... Not only would everyone dislike that competitive person, but no one helped you in need. Be humble, help others, and most importantly dont allow the competitive spirit get to you! :)
I'd inevitably fly in to a furious rage if my friend did that to me, I'M NOT ASHAMED

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« Reply #7009 on: December 01, 2014, 07:32:04 am »
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Yeah, unfortunately the 'tall poppy' syndrome is very prominent in today's VCE.
For a 'secret' headstart you'd be surprised at what people try to do :(
What? What do people do lol?
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« Reply #7010 on: December 01, 2014, 07:32:27 am »
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I'd inevitably fly in to a furious rage if my friend did that to me, I'M NOT ASHAMED
Anyone would, haha its just not right!
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« Reply #7011 on: December 01, 2014, 02:21:04 pm »
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Can someone please help me with this? q17 and this is my working out:



If f(x) is divided by 3x-1, then f(1/3) = remainder:





So if the remainder is 1, the factor is divided by it:



Which is the reason why I keep getting x asymptote: 1/3 and y asymptote: 3


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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #7012 on: December 01, 2014, 04:16:28 pm »
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y = (3x)/(3x-1) = (3x - 1 + 1)/(3x-1) = 1 + 1/(3x-1). This is a rectangular hyperbola with horizontal asymptote y = 1 and vertical asymptote x = 1/3. Hence, D.

y = 3 + 1/(3x-1) = [3(3x-1) + 1]/(3x-1) = (9x - 3 + 1)/(3x-1) = (9x - 2)/(3x-1).

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« Reply #7013 on: December 01, 2014, 04:20:42 pm »
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y = (3x)/(3x-1) = (3x - 1 + 1)/(3x-1) = 1 + 1/(3x-1). This is a rectangular hyperbola with horizontal asymptote y = 1 and vertical asymptote x = 1/3. Hence, D.

Sorry, i still do not understand. How did you get (3x - 1 +1)/(3x-1)

Dont you just use the remainder theorem to find out the remainder, and then divide the remainder by the factor?
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« Reply #7014 on: December 01, 2014, 04:41:03 pm »
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That is one way to approach this question, except that only gives you the 1/(3x-1) term. How did you get the 3?

I got (3x - 1 + 1)/(3x-1) by adding 1 and then subtracting 1 from the numerator. I did this because it allows me to separate the numerator into the denominator plus a remainder term. (3x)/(3x-1) = [(3x - 1) + 1]/(3x-1). Now, I can split the fraction up into two parts, and then simply. [(3x-1) + 1]/(3x-1) = (3x-1)/(3x-1) + 1/(3x-1) = 1 + 1/(3x-1).

Below are a few additional examples of how I usually expand fractions of the kind featured in Q17. Hopefully they help to clarify my thought process. 

(i) (5x + 2)/(5x -1) = (5x - 1 + 3)/(5x-1) = [(5x - 1) + 3]/(5x - 1) = 1 + 3/(5x-1)
(ii) (6x - 1)/(2x + 3) = (6x + 9 - 10)/(2x+3) = [(6x + 9) - 10]/(2x + 3) = [3(2x+3) - 10]/(2x+3) = 3 - 10/(2x+3)
(iii) (5x + 3)/(x - 1) = (5x - 5 + 3)/(x-1) = [(5x - 5) + 3]/(x-1) = [5(x-1)+3]/(x-1) = 5 + 3/(x-1)
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« Reply #7015 on: December 01, 2014, 05:25:17 pm »
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That is one way to approach this question, except that only gives you the 1/(3x-1) term. How did you get the 3?

I got (3x - 1 + 1)/(3x-1) by adding 1 and then subtracting 1 from the numerator. I did this because it allows me to separate the numerator into the denominator plus a remainder term. (3x)/(3x-1) = [(3x - 1) + 1]/(3x-1). Now, I can split the fraction up into two parts, and then simply. [(3x-1) + 1]/(3x-1) = (3x-1)/(3x-1) + 1/(3x-1) = 1 + 1/(3x-1).

Below are a few additional examples of how I usually expand fractions of the kind featured in Q17. Hopefully they help to clarify my thought process. 

(i) (5x + 2)/(5x -1) = (5x - 1 + 3)/(5x-1) = [(5x - 1) + 3]/(5x - 1) = 1 + 3/(5x-1)
(ii) (6x - 1)/(2x + 3) = (6x + 9 - 10)/(2x+3) = [(6x + 9) - 10]/(2x + 3) = [3(2x+3) - 10]/(2x+3) = 3 - 10/(2x+3)
(iii) (5x + 3)/(x - 1) = (5x - 5 + 3)/(x-1) = [(5x - 5) + 3]/(x-1) = [5(x-1)+3]/(x-1) = 5 + 3/(x-1)

I have absolutely no clue on what you are doing!

The way I did it was like this:

First I see that the function is being divided by a term so f(1/3) will be the remainder, so I did the synthetic division (long division)

After doing synthetic division, I get two results, 3 and 1. The one is the remainder, so I divide it by the factor, which is This will result in: meaning the x asymptote is 1/3 and the y asymptote is 3??

Can you try it doing synthetic division and let me know what you get please? Thanks so much!
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« Reply #7016 on: December 01, 2014, 05:38:54 pm »
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I have absolutely no clue on what you are doing!

The way I did it was like this:

First I see that the function is being divided by a term so f(1/3) will be the remainder, so I did the synthetic division (long division)

After doing synthetic division, I get two results, 3 and 1. The one is the remainder, so I divide it by the factor, which is This will result in: meaning the x asymptote is 1/3 and the y asymptote is 3??

Can you try it doing synthetic division and let me know what you get please? Thanks so much!

Synthetic division only works for expressions of form (x-r). To use synthetic division for this particular example, you'd need to factor out the 3 from the bottom before you divide.

What brightsky is doing is a technique often referred to as "division by inspection". It's a VERY useful technique, and I highly suggest trying to get your head around it these holidays.

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #7017 on: December 01, 2014, 05:47:24 pm »
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how would you do this question?

ax − 7y = 0
2x + (a − 9)y = 0

Find the value(s) of a, where a is a real constant. Consider a set of simultaneous equations that
have a unique solution.when is there a unique solution?

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« Reply #7018 on: December 01, 2014, 06:01:57 pm »
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how would you do this question?

ax − 7y = 0
2x + (a − 9)y = 0

Find the value(s) of a, where a is a real constant. Consider a set of simultaneous equations that
have a unique solution.when is there a unique solution?

There is a method of this that will work in all cases - I will show you this method. However, there IS another method that will work brilliantly with this example that is a lot less effort - and I'll follow up the first method with this.

For the first method, let's put these simultaneous equations into matrix form:


We know that a solution for this will ONLY exist if the determinant of the first matrix is non-zero (or if x and y are 0, but that's trivial). So, if the determinant IS zero, then there is NO unique solution, and every other time, there IS a unique solution. So, let's find when the determinant is zero and discount those solutions:



So, there exists a unique solution when

On our second method, let's transpose both equations like so:



Now, we know that if the gradients are equal, then there are either infinitely many or no solutions. So, let's find out when the gradients are equal, and exclude those values:



Which reflects what we got earlier, so we once again say that


Note: the second method will always work as well, it's just that it's not as nice if the two lines don't intercept at (0, 0).

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« Reply #7019 on: December 01, 2014, 06:30:23 pm »
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Synthetic division only works for expressions of form (x-r). To use synthetic division for this particular example, you'd need to factor out the 3 from the bottom before you divide.



Could you please show me how to factor it, and then how to finish it off using synthetic division? Thanks
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