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« Reply #45 on: March 10, 2012, 02:16:28 pm »
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yeah non-neg reals.
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« Reply #46 on: March 10, 2012, 03:00:58 pm »
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In that case the solution is unique if and it doesn't exist otherwise.

Think about the graph if you want, the function is strictly increasing from 0 to infinity. (I'm assuming p/q>0, you can play around with the other cases)

Of course sometimes you can extend the domain if you want like x^n we define on the whole reals (and complex too if you like, you get n solutions) and then you get other solutions. But in general when defining x^r we like to restrict to the non-neg reals(sometimes even non-negative complex) otherwise we get some issues. That's what I meant by it depending on what planet you live on.
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« Reply #47 on: March 10, 2012, 05:22:15 pm »
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In that case the solution is unique if and it doesn't exist otherwise.

Think about the graph if you want, the function is strictly increasing from 0 to infinity. (I'm assuming p/q>0, you can play around with the other cases)

Of course sometimes you can extend the domain if you want like x^n we define on the whole reals (and complex too if you like, you get n solutions) and then you get other solutions. But in general when defining x^r we like to restrict to the non-neg reals(sometimes even non-negative complex) otherwise we get some issues. That's what I meant by it depending on what planet you live on.


Correct me if I'm wrong guys, but for this question to make any sense for the purposes of VCE maths, I can only assume that p/q is a rational number, therefore

x^(p/q) = a   =>     x = a^(q/p)

ignoring the trivial case p=0, a=1, x in R, we further require q not 0

hence the relevant cases are:

1a) q even, p positive => a in R
1b) q even, p negative => a in R\{0}
2a) q odd, p odd and positive => a in R
2b) q odd, p odd and negative => a in R\{0}
3a) q odd, p even and positive => a in R+ U {0}
3b) q odd, p even and negative => a in R+

 



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« Reply #48 on: April 07, 2012, 05:01:03 pm »
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is 'prime notation' acceptable as a way of expressing derivatives? for example, when differentiating, say (x^2 + 2)/(x^3 + 4x + 1), can we write [(x^2 + 2)'(x^3 + 4x + 1) - (x^2+2)(x^3+4x+1)']/(x^3 + 4x + 1) as our first line of working?
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Re: brightsky's Maths Thread
« Reply #49 on: April 07, 2012, 05:17:18 pm »
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I don't think so, write d/dx(....) for those parts where you've used the prime (...)'. VCAA likes to stick to basics unfortunately (although they'd be pretty tough to give you something so ugly via the quotient rule imo)
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Re: brightsky's Maths Thread
« Reply #50 on: April 07, 2012, 06:06:33 pm »
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is 'prime notation' acceptable as a way of expressing derivatives? for example, when differentiating, say (x^2 + 2)/(x^3 + 4x + 1), can we write [(x^2 + 2)'(x^3 + 4x + 1) - (x^2+2)(x^3+4x+1)']/(x^3 + 4x + 1) as our first line of working?

Tbh I think you'd be better off avoiding the problem altogether by just stating the quotient rule generally as your first step. Then have a little therefore symbol and just... do it ahaha. Pretty sure that'd be acceptable working.
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Re: brightsky's Maths Thread
« Reply #51 on: May 05, 2012, 06:35:47 pm »
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can someone confirm that this question is indeed ridiculous and that we are not to expect to find any questions of such a kind in a real vcaa exam.
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Re: brightsky's Maths Thread
« Reply #52 on: May 05, 2012, 06:40:56 pm »
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can someone confirm that this question is indeed ridiculous and that we are not to expect to find any questions of such a kind in a real vcaa exam.

Oh... I think you'd be surprised haha
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« Reply #53 on: May 05, 2012, 06:46:18 pm »
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Although correct me if I am wrong but, is the answer choices for the question correct?
Wouldn't it be

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Re: brightsky's Maths Thread
« Reply #54 on: May 05, 2012, 06:49:27 pm »
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Although correct me if I am wrong but, is the answer choices for the question correct?
Wouldn't it be



yeah that's what i got...but apparently what you're 'supposed' to do is find the AVERAGE of the sum of the areas of the smaller rectangles and the larger rectangles. so (7+15)/2 = 11...heh
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« Reply #55 on: May 05, 2012, 06:52:15 pm »
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Although correct me if I am wrong but, is the answer choices for the question correct?
Wouldn't it be



yeah that's what i got...but apparently what you're 'supposed' to do is find the AVERAGE of the sum of the areas of the smaller rectangles and the larger rectangles. so (7+15)/2 = 11...heh
Oh right that makes sense, bit deciving looking at the diagram, I didn't see the non shaded rectangles......... (Tip: Look at whats actually in front of you! :P)
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Re: brightsky's Maths Thread
« Reply #56 on: May 05, 2012, 07:02:43 pm »
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It's in the Study Design
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fundamental theorem of calculus and the relationship between the definite integral and area;
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Re: brightsky's Maths Thread
« Reply #57 on: May 05, 2012, 07:19:28 pm »
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You have to know it, it's in the study design ;)

Be glad you came across it now rather in the real Exam, could've been easy marks lost :P

The approximate area under is just given by the average of the two areas.

i.e. in this case,
                              ^where large = shaded + non shaded and small = shaded

If you use the Maths Quest textbook it's exercises 9D/E (assuming same textbook as last year)

edit: Oh you solved your problem already, never mind then  ::)
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Re: brightsky's Maths Thread
« Reply #58 on: May 05, 2012, 07:59:58 pm »
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Although correct me if I am wrong but, is the answer choices for the question correct?
Wouldn't it be



yeah that's what i got...but apparently what you're 'supposed' to do is find the AVERAGE of the sum of the areas of the smaller rectangles and the larger rectangles. so (7+15)/2 = 11...heh

Look up 'Trapezoidal Rule'
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Re: brightsky's Maths Thread
« Reply #59 on: May 05, 2012, 08:23:56 pm »
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lol i'm not complaining cos i didn't think it was on the study design...i'm complaining because the question was worded so ambiguously, i.e. since when did approximate the area using the triangles, mean approximate the area using left hand triangles and right hand triangles and find the average of the two?
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