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Hello, fellow VNers...


after turning to family, careers teacher, and various cousins/ friends, i am still clueless as to what i should do next year.

So, i was wondering if i can count on your superb wisdom to help me?

Lemme lay it out for you:

1) i enjoy english/ bio/ artsy stuff

2) therefore, i considered arts/ science at monash

BUT I am a westerner....there fore it takes me 2+ hrs to there. Which means: the hours are crazy! 8am starts... 5pm finishes. (approx). By then, i wont be home until 8. So then, i'll have to study into the wee hours of the morning...
and wake up at 530am so i can catch the 6am train to make it to monash by 8.... (i know this wnt happen all the time...but majority will be like this) :( no time...no life....i'll probs burn out :)

i considered on campus living....but tOO EXPENSIVE (seriously, money is a huge problem in the fam)

3) alternatively, i can do arts at unimelb...but no science (except for breadth, which wont really count for much)...which is okay, because i like arts...BUT...i think im bad at essay writing AND arts wont really lead anywhere unless i get into masters....which i have no idea what to do...

4) or i could do science at unimelb...but no arts (except for breadth, which wont really count for much)...i could potentially get a job...BUT i dont want a job in science, nor do i really enjoy lab work...

5) or i could just choose something random...commerce at unimelb? that could get me somewhere...but not really fond of it....

if i went to unimelb, i could also take a dipLANG in Jap...so maybe i'm more emplyable?

6) another damn course somewhere? RMIT?

haha...yesh...i'm sorry for the rant...but any help would be appreciated?!?! :O my careers advisor is hopeless...so you guys are my last hope!!!!
PLEASE HELP!!


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Hello, fellow VNers...


after turning to family, careers teacher, and various cousins/ friends, i am still clueless as to what i should do next year.

So, i was wondering if i can count on your superb wisdom to help me?

Lemme lay it out for you:

1) i enjoy english/ bio/ artsy stuff

2) therefore, i considered arts/ science at monash

BUT I am a westerner....there fore it takes me 2+ hrs to there. Which means: the hours are crazy! 8am starts... 5pm finishes. (approx). By then, i wont be home until 8. So then, i'll have to study into the wee hours of the morning...
and wake up at 530am so i can catch the 6am train to make it to monash by 8.... (i know this wnt happen all the time...but majority will be like this) :( no time...no life....i'll probs burn out :)

i considered on campus living....but tOO EXPENSIVE (seriously, money is a huge problem in the fam)

3) alternatively, i can do arts at unimelb...but no science (except for breadth, which wont really count for much)...which is okay, because i like arts...BUT...i think im bad at essay writing AND arts wont really lead anywhere unless i get into masters....which i have no idea what to do...

4) or i could do science at unimelb...but no arts (except for breadth, which wont really count for much)...i could potentially get a job...BUT i dont want a job in science, nor do i really enjoy lab work...

5) or i could just choose something random...commerce at unimelb? that could get me somewhere...but not really fond of it....

if i went to unimelb, i could also take a dipLANG in Jap...so maybe i'm more emplyable?

6) another damn course somewhere? RMIT?

haha...yesh...i'm sorry for the rant...but any help would be appreciated?!?! :O my careers advisor is hopeless...so you guys are my last hope!!!!
PLEASE HELP!!


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WOOOOO! ANOTHER WESTERNER! We seem to be in low numbers on here. For me my preference is Monash as well, it will take around 1.5 hrs to get there by two trains and a bus. The way you have to look at it is that if you really want to do that course, then the travelling is something that you have to do. You have to keep yourself motivated. My sister also went to Monash, when she went it took her 2 hours from our location. She had her ups and downs but she really enjoyed what she was doing, thats what allowed her to be able to do this. She had some 5:30 am wake ups aswell, but you can sleep/read on the train. What I'm trying to say is It is doable, and well I'm going to do it next year as well. Also I'm pretty sure kingpomba and TrueTears do it too.

I'm not entierly sure about how many hours the arts course would contribute, but someone on here should be able to help with that.

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I'm a westerner too! Yeh, its about 1.25-1.5 hours total travel from Werribee-ish (pretty far west imo). Apparently a 6.30-ish wake-up is fine for a 7.30am train (for a 9.00am lecture or something), according to a guy I know who goes from there to Monash :)

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haha, if you think the course at Monash is suitable for you, then definitely go for it - yes the traveling does sometimes get a bit hectic, however you soon get used to it. Also uni is pretty flexible, you'll see that you won't have to attend every single lecture/tute, when you organise your timetable you can often put tutes on a single day or two, then just find out the important lectures which you want to attend. I've been doing this myself for the past 2 years, I normally have one/two day weeks, eg, in my first semester at uni, I put all my tutes on two days and the past 3 semesters I managed to put all my tutes on one whole day and literally had 4 days off the entire week - I haven't attended a single lecture since my first semester at uni and I'm doing fine. But if you feel like you do wanna attend lectures, try pick the units where most lectures coincide on one day, if you can manage to set your timetable out efficiently you save ALOT of traveling time. I know this is definitely possible with Bsc (as I do it myself) and I think Arts shouldn't have much contact hours per week, so you can definitely sort out a good timetable.
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westerners represent!

yeah i'm facing the same dilemma with Monash!
I agree with TrueTears, plus you can always carpool, mini roadtrip?

But on a serious note, if you are unsure with what you want to do, there's either Arts at UoM, but like you said, that could potentially lead no where... and doing commerce or science could lead you to a career you hate, since you like artsy/bio... I think the double with arts at Monash would be the best option
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1) i enjoy english/ bio/ artsy stuff

Not to discourage of course but make sure you actually enjoy these things and not the idea of them. Not only enjoy them either, enjoy studying them in an academic way. There were some subjects which i thought i would really like but i didnt like studying them or looking at them academically. I do enjoy reading about them in my own time though.

So, make sure you don't have a distorted view of sorts (and we all do to one degree or another going into uni).

That said if you think you'll like it then go for it!

BUT I am a westerner....there fore it takes me 2+ hrs to there. Which means: the hours are crazy! 8am starts... 5pm finishes. (approx). By then, i wont be home until 8. So then, i'll have to study into the wee hours of the morning...

I also live in the west (i've noticed the amount of western suburbs people at monash is fairly low, mainly eastern kids who knew each other from highschool, well so i've seen anyway) so i know what you mean.

My first year just finished and i thought many of the same things you do right now.

The travel you get use to. You read or listen to music or look out the window or whatever you feel like. The actual travel isn't actually that bad. For me the killer was just the sheer time it took. I'm a massive nightowl; i really hate getting up in the morning before like 10am = i'm up untill very late. Going to a 8am lecture and having to take 2 hours to get there, compared to someone who lived 20 minutes away is a massive difference.

Thats what killed me the most really, having to get up early.

You'd be hard pressed to find all that many lectures at 8am. I wouldn't worry about that all that much as someone who is in science and studied arts units.

I think you probably have a couple misconceptions, you get to choose what times your lectures are, you get to choose your timetable to a certain extent.

So, say for chemistry, they might repeat the very same lecture 2 or 3 times throughout the week, partially due to the sheer number of students but also because of clashes with other subjects and things like that.

So the same lecture might run Mon 11am/Tues 3pm/Wed 10am. So, you have some flexibility to choose what you want. If you put a lot of effort into engineering your timetable just right, you can usually get a decent one. I got at least one day off a week (For me a day off is either no subjects at all or a day with no tutorials/labs which are compulsory but maybe a lecture or two but they're recorded. It wasn't really worth 4 hours of travel to go to 1 or 2 hours worth of lecture).

Unless you're unlucky though, you'll have the opportunity to take at least one day off if you wish in most cases.

3) alternatively, i can do arts at unimelb...but no science (except for breadth, which wont really count for much)...which is okay, because i like arts...BUT...i think im bad at essay writing AND arts wont really lead anywhere unless i get into masters....which i have no idea what to do...

I didn't quite get what i needed to get into UoM but i was close, so i went to monash. As time went by i came to realise several things you don't realise being fresh out of highschool. Uni is much more than rankings and prestige alone.

To be honest, for undergraduate teaching, the teaching quality and content of most uni's in victoria is around the same level. It's not like the teachers at UoM have some hidden knowledge the teachers at RMIT don't have. They all have PhD's and they dont just hand those out to anyone, so they're still all very good.

My original plan was to transfer out of Monash to UoM. I had a lot of things happen during the year which impacted on my uni scores quite a bit and my marks weren't quite what i needed to transfer but to be honest i'm doing OK here. They still teach very well. They have some things unique to the science program that UoM doesn't have. Plus you have to meet a whole bunch of new people and things like that. The distance doesn't kill me as much as it use to.

I skipped a lot of lectures, barely went. For some this is good if you watch them that night and catch up. Like i said a lot of things were going on during this year and i was pretty disrupted, i didn't go but i didn't listen to them either. So, it can be a dangerous way to think but if you do actually listen to them that night then its fine. In some cases (EG. 2 hours of lectures on a particular day, 4 hours of travel) it can actually save you time if you don't go. Just make sure you don't bomb out like i did though.

You can skip your really, unavoidably early ones and just go to the later ones, everything will be alright.

Breadth is about 6 units isn't it? Thats roughly the equivalent of a major, so its nothing to be sneezed at.

I wouldn't worry about a job too much if its going to be a job you hate anyway.

If you do well enough there will be work for you.

Arts isn't all dead ends.

My philosophy professor, Graeme Oppy for instance got into medicine but he switched out because it wasn't what he loved:

"After I completed high school, I enrolled in an undergraduate medical program at the University of Melbourne. I found that I was much more interested in reading philosophy than in studying embryology--in particular, my copy of The Portable Nietzsche was much thumbed--and, at the end of my first year, I transferred to a combined arts/science degree with majors in mathematics and philosophy, and minors in physics and history and philosophy of science. "

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/graham_oppy/whynot.html

Theres a significant amount of essay writing in the arts. You may like to think about this a little and its impact on you. That said if you're motivated enough you can definitely do it.

4) or i could do science at unimelb...but no arts (except for breadth, which wont really count for much)...i could potentially get a job...BUT i dont want a job in science, nor do i really enjoy lab work...

If you don't want a job in science it doesn't seem advisable to only choose a science degree. All science isn't lab work, you could work in government advising/pharmaceutical sales/teaching (secondary, university)/textbook writing. There's so much more to science than just lab work. The universities tend to have pages mentioning possible careers, you might want to look into that.

5) or i could just choose something random...commerce at unimelb? that could get me somewhere...but not really fond of it....
That doesn't seem like a very good idea now does it. No use being in something you like, you won't want to work hard at it or be interested in it. Your career will also (likely) not be all that fun, unless you discover or develop a sudden passion for it.

Do something you like, not what you think you should do or what others would like you to do. Recipe for success.

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Speaking from experience, early wake ups are definitely doable. This year (before Year 12 finished) I woke up at anywhere between 4.30-5am, 6 days a week. Before that I woke up between 5-6am for as far back as I can remember.

Don't get me wrong, I love my sleep, but circumstances are circumstances.

When you suddenly start the early wake ups, its hard, very hard. But you get used to it, your body adjusts and all that. But that being said, it was never 'easy' for me. Waking up early always felt like a chore, but then again, this entire year did too.

My solution was blasting music into my ears for a while after waking up to stop myself from falling asleep again. Then after an hour or so I was pretty much awake so it was all good.

Also, coffee became this sweet, sweet nectar I could not live without.

But yeah, all in all, early wake ups aren't as bad as they seem. They make they day feel a whole lot longer in my opinion.

I'll be facing a ~1h 15m commute to Uni next year, probably not as bad as some are facing but still quite a while. I'm looking forward to it to be honest. Who knows, it may get old but I'm actually looking forward to the commute to Uni as much as going to Uni itself.

But yeah, that's life I guess, endure things, experience things, yadda yadda yadda.
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Thankyou fellower westerners and sympathisers! Haha, you have really given me food for thought now.

I'm officially stuck. My first pref was going to be unimelb arts...but now arts/ science (which was potentially 3rd) might get bumped up...

The problem is with the double degree at monash is that the actual campus itself...doesn't seem to appeal to me. It's huge...which is really cool, however, it's just too..."foresty" for my liking. Don't get me wrong, it's not like i'm going to base my decision purely on the environment of the university. But when i went there (this wasn't on open day. Rather i wagged and "pretended" i was a uni  student...therefore i loitered around...and had union students harrassing me for my vote!) the atmosphere wasn't all that great.

In contrast, the vibe i got from unimelb was cool. The buildings, the kids, the lectures..they were really cool...

So in terms of the location of where i want to study...it's defs unimelb...

To all westerners who understand the tedious task of travelling 2+ hrs (yeap, i'm on the werribee line...) i get that it is doable. However, i'm more worried about losing precious time that can be used for study. Also, even if i did do arts/ science, i'm not too sure what type of career path it would get me into anyway...i was surfing a whirlpool forum and one very insightful dude (sarcasm) pointed out that if you're doing arts/science, then you're just ending up with two useless degrees for the workplace :(

So there. i'm stuck.

Would it increase my employability if i choose a dipLANG? i would only be able to do this if i went to unimelb. I wouldn't be able to do it alongside the double degree at monash :(
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The problem is with the double degree at monash is that the actual campus itself...doesn't seem to appeal to me. It's huge...which is really cool, however, it's just too..."foresty" for my liking. Don't get me wrong, it's not like i'm going to base my decision purely on the environment of the university.

Well, careful of the first couple impressions you get. It's all very big and all very forresty. It's hard to really base your impression around that the first couple times. I know my first time i totally wandered around up the very side near the arts section, up where residences are and lots of trees and ponds and stuff and thought that was a full on proper part of campus, when it really isn't a road thats gone down all that much. Hell, for the first couple weeks i had to use my map a lot. It gets a lot smaller and manageable once you get to know it. This is true for all universities.

I think this is a legitimate thing to take into consideration though. A lot of people only think about rankings and rankings alone and miss a lot of other things they should consider, like the things you have mentioned. So, good on you for that.

I know someone who could of got into UoM but chose la trobe because they liked the environment and social aspects better.

It's a bit hard to get a vibe on the "kids" and "lectures" the first couple times you wander into one. Especially the social aspects as well. It's all based on what you perceive by only seeing. Rather than true experiences.

So in terms of the location of where i want to study...it's defs unimelb...

Might of answered your own question then hey ;) but i'm glad we could help you think.

However, i'm more worried about losing precious time that can be used for study.

In VCE i thought i would study all day every day when this quiet clearly wasn't the case. You're not going to study every hour of every day. Uni is significantly more laid back than the VCE experience you probably had as well.

Theres not much that you can do at home that couldn't do on the train. You can listen to lectures in that time, provided you have something to do that. Most phones can do that decently or a cheapy mp3 player or something like that. You can read your books on the train too, just like at home. In-Fact the train has a lot less things that you could procrastinate with as compared to home as well.

It's good to unwind and just stare out the window or read a good book. It helps refresh your mind. So, sometimes downtime is good.

Also, even if i did do arts/ science, i'm not too sure what type of career path it would get me into anyway...

Well, with most double degrees, you only really end up using the content of one degree professionally in almost all of the time.

Thats not to say it wont satisify your interest as well, uni just isn't a job factory, its for leaning as well. I think an extra year to learn so many more things is a worthy trade off. In the grandscheme of things a year is nothing. Many people fail subjects, go part time, defer for a year, ect and don't end up finishing their degree in 3 years anyway.

So, really, you'd either be using the arts section or the science section in a job. Thats not to say one won't offer skills in the other.

i was surfing a whirlpool forum and one very insightful dude (sarcasm) pointed out that if you're doing arts/science, then you're just ending up with two useless degrees for the workplace :(

I don't think you've worked this out yet, it took me quite a while too. The people on whirlpool are insanely negative and pessemistic in their outlook, in the education section anyway. If you go just by what they say almost every profession is in oversupply or going down hill or no degree is worth it. A lot of the time, the things they say aren't a true reflection of reality.

Perhaps think of what kind of job you would like and work backwards.

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You can do a dip lang alongside a double degree a monash!
I didn't think so either, but i asked at the expo yesterday and they told me i could even do it alongside the double of commerce/engineering, but would have to start in second year (to get used to the workload) and it would take three years :)

Just call them I suppose before you assume anything :)

Also, with UoM, I've read that doing a diplang could increase your degree by a year (depending on your subects) so make sure you double check that too! Just incase :)
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What? So if what you're saying is true, I can do b.comm/ b.eco plus dip. lang in 4 years?
I wasn't sure for myself, since the guy that answered my question didn't know, but he was
100% sure that i can do all of them in 5 years. Whether i can do it in 4 years, he didn't know.
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I'm not 100% sure on if you can do it in 4 years...
but the lady did say that the dip lang is done over three years, so I'd imagine that you could do it all in 3 years.
But definitely double check!
I'm also interested in comm/eco, so I'll most likely call tomorrow and ask the same questions! :)
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I'm not 100% sure on if you can do it in 4 years...
but the lady did say that the dip lang is done over three years, so I'd imagine that you could do it all in 3 years.
But definitely double check!
I'm also interested in comm/eco, so I'll most likely call tomorrow and ask the same questions! :)
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I'm not 100% sure on if you can do it in 4 years...
but the lady did say that the dip lang is done over three years, so I'd imagine that you could do it all in 3 years.
But definitely double check!
I'm also interested in comm/eco, so I'll most likely call tomorrow and ask the same questions! :)
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In regards to the dipLANG. it adds an extra year to your course. So if you're doing double degree for 5 years, the dipLAng will be an additional 1 year = 6 years altogether...


SO here's the catch, i wanna ask...GO TO MONASH WHERE I GET A SCHOLARSHIP AND STUDY ARTS/ ENGINEERING? (where engineering might not be the right thing for me)

OR

go to UoM without scholarship and do science where i can still do some arts/ science/ engineering subjects and have a taste for engineering before i launch into it?
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