English 3/4 2012 Oral SAC!

[hello_kitty]

hey guys what are your suggestions on my 3 topics?
ive been thinking between:
-  the Qantas issue
- the issue between public and private schools
- Should Asylum Seekers be put into detention centres

but im just not sure which one would provide stronger arguments? and provide a range of resources?

Also, could someone clarify rebuttals and counter arguments in my oral? im unsure if i use them in each paragraph?

Thanks Again! Any helpw ould be great.

Is your oral on any discussion topic or on one that is currently a contentious issue? If the latter, then I would steer clear of public vs private schools, as that has been going on for the last few decades if not longer.

Personally, I'd go with the QANTAS issue, simply because it is very contentious and there are many media resources. Furthermore, it is much simpler than the asylum seeker topic, which has many sides to it and might be a bit more complicated to find a solid contention.
http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/qantas-strikes-to-hit-10000-passengers-today/story-e6frfq80-1226178947905
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/qantas-strikes-deal-with-engineers/story-fn7j19iv-1226226178532
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-nsw/alan-joyce-termination-of-qantas-strikes-only-option/story-e6freuzi-1226180671376
http://www.cnngo.com/sydney/visit/qantas-dispute-strikes-heart-australian-aviations-future-035611

It might be also worthwhile reading any comments that follow those articles, as that might provide some of the stronger opinions/rebuttal that you're looking for

Hope that helps

Thanks! Im just a bit unsure for this year 12 oral sac on how to present it. Do we need to have the for and against points or is it what side we are taking? and where do we incorporate the rebuttals and counter arguments?

For the Qantas issue are there many for and against articles? because for the asylum seeker issue i have a lot for against but not so much for..and im worried its an issue many students will be doing. therefore, if there are both equal arguments for the qantas issue i think itll be a great one for me.

Any suggestions on helping me begin this? thank you in advance!

[mihir94]

My school also did a practice oral sac last year. What i found was that the higher marks last year all took on personas. For example, last year my speech was about Julian Assange and wikileaks. I took on the persona of being Julian Assange's lawyer at a press conference who answered various questions from reporters (i used various accents to distinguish between the laywer and the reporters). This just keeps the audience and the assesor more interested. However, I would recommend that you just write your speech first and be happy with that before trying to be creative in your presentation. After all the content still has to be good.   

[greenbeans]

Love mihir94's approach! and yes definitely write up at least a rough outline of what you're trying to say before you start getting too creative!

In terms of how you weave the arguments in, its best to pick a side but at the very least acknowledge the opposing views but clearly spell out why your argument is far superior!

[Mech]

Funny, I did my presentation on Wikileaks and presented my piece as more of a lawyer making a case for Wikileaks before a jury. I had a powerpoint I vaguely made reference to and even was so theatrical so as to throw my notes on the ground and declare, "I do not need to baffle you by prattling on, but to tell you honestly why Wikileaks is important to society." It was an ad lib speech with no practise and I only had a few dot points. I scored nearly full marks, but was deducted 1 mark for going over time by 10 seconds - I was lengthy despite promising my audience from the onset I would not be. I think I entertained them enough so as not to worry them. 

Yes, the two assessing teachers were pedants.

[hello_kitty]

how many words should this oral sac be if it must last for only 5 minutes? but have 3 paragraphs?? pleasee help

[Mech]

how many words should this oral sac be if it must last for only 5 minutes? but have 3 paragraphs?? pleasee help

If you articulate well and make your points effectively, 800 - 1,000 words should be fine. Please do not read verbatim off of the sheet though.

[hello_kitty]

so about 100 for introduction, 200 for body and 100 for conclusion?
definitly wont be reading off sheet :p

[hello_kitty]

also for 'should asylum seekers be put in detention centres' what is everyones opinion? a lot of articles have been against it e.g. attempts to suicide etc

[Mech]

so about 100 for introduction, 200 for body and 100 for conclusion?
definitly wont be reading off sheet :p

For each body? Or else you just have 400 words.

also for 'should asylum seekers be put in detention centres' what is everyones opinion? a lot of articles have been against it e.g. attempts to suicide etc

I think they should be put into quarantine and processed accordingly, but the delays that our system has is ridiculous. The conditions are poor in some circumstances and the psychiatric/psychological assistance offered to asylum seekers is poor. Anti-depressants are readily distributed unnecessarily and the detention of children is unfathomably absurd.

Look up the delays of processing in asylum seekers around the world.

[hello_kitty]

I was thinking the same thing..i was thinking my contention is that they shouldnt be put in detention centre..
have you heard of the cartoon of christmas island by mark knight? would it be appropriate to include that in my argument?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad/mark-knight/story-fn6bn88w-1226024639210

[Mech]

I was thinking the same thing..i was thinking my contention is that they shouldnt be put in detention centre..
have you heard of the cartoon of christmas island by mark knight? would it be appropriate to include that in my argument?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad/mark-knight/story-fn6bn88w-1226024639210

Sorry for the belated reply. I had to go and fit some special matting down for my grandmother on her back patio. Make it less slippery!

Well, that cartoon is good, but it is trying to draw in sympathy for the Christmas Islanders and paints the asylum seekers as some vicious malcontents. So, what are you arguing? Are you arguing that we should have asylum seekers detained for as little amount of time possible in humane conditions as they are processed, or to continue the current model? I am a little thrown by that image where you stand now lol

EDIT: hello_kitty, I have responded to your private message. I hope the information contained is of use and you are most welcome to continue that private messaging if you need more assistance. 

[horizon]

Ahh, I don't know what issue to choose!
Are there any good recent ones about animals?

[Shenz0r]

There's whaling of course, it's been in the news again this past week.

[horizon]

Hmm, I was thinking about that, however, the news about whaling is to do with the 3 people boarding that ship...
Do you think it would still be ok to talk about the whaling issue?

[pi]

Hmm, I was thinking about that, however, the news about whaling is to do with the 3 people boarding that ship...
Do you think it would still be ok to talk about the whaling issue?

You could use that as your central focus while also talking about the broader issue of Australia's stance of Japanese whaling perhaps.