Teacher quality vs Studying

[WhoTookMyUsername]

melbourne high has pretty bad teachers too, though some faculties are better than others, but atm chem and physics are pretty deplorable

yeah, no. Our physics department may be not so flash, but our chem department is actually decent
I think a reason that MHS didn't do so well is because a lot of kids gave up on their subjects - me included

yeah, no... with Mr F gone there's really only one great teacher. It's "decent" at best. Though throughout my time at MHS i've generally had pretty bad teachers in everything, a sport teacher for maths in year 9 for e.g. and bad teachers in general throughout my science at MHS so i'm probably biased

[pi]

Split the split topic

yeah, no... with Mr F gone there's really only one great teacher. It's "decent" at best. Though throughout my time at MHS i've generally had pretty bad teachers in everything, a sport teacher for maths in year 9 for e.g. and bad teachers in general throughout my science at MHS so i'm probably biased

Not true, there are at least two I can think of (in chem). Mr F only taught one class anyway.

[pi]

eh alright, the numbers win. i reiterate that i'm biased as my science teachers throughout 3 years at MHS have been generally deplorable (with exceptions of course)

I think that more of a case of your "bad-luck" than a true account of our science faculties. Hopefully your luck will change for next year

[WhoTookMyUsername]

I actually think year 11 is a very pivotal year to get good teachers in 1/2, though of course year 12 still very important. it's just in year 12 you'll generally know the course anyway and do much more self study so a teacher can only help you so much (though of course a good teacher helps). I reckon a really good teacher for 1/2 is very good when you're not doing much work out of school but you can still develop good fundamental skills.

[Menang]

I'm lucky to have had amazing teachers for all my 3/4 subjects so I may have a different point of view here...

I had the same teacher for 1/2 Lit and 3/4 Philosophy and Lit, who just is the most amazing teacher ever. I didn't get EZ as a tutor simply because this teacher ("Ms P") was more than enough. I had two out of four classes with her this year (half my timetable) and met with her for a free period nearly every week to go through essays and ideas for both subjects. She really cared about each student and really pushed each student every time. She's the reason I didn't fail philosophy, and did as well as I did for lit. So for me, teachers made all the difference. I discovered that in Year 11 and subsequently chose my Year 12 subjects based on the teachers I'd get.

Comparing the teachers at MacRob and the teachers at my pre-MacRob school, I'd say the general standard is about the same. Every school has good and bad teachers. I was lucky enough to discover how important teachers are and thus chose subjects based on teachers, but otherwise my friends at MacRob had horrible teachers for Year 12.

[luken93]

So, if MHS teachers are crappy then teachers at other schools are...?

Guys please, please, quit saying "oh no, we have done so badly this year" when your school obviously hasn't compared to the hundreds of other ones in Victoria.

Amen sister.

At the point where you have to teach your methods and chem teacher things because you've gone ahead and they don't understand...I'd say that's heading towards the definition of a bad teacher. I had to rely on my English teacher because it's the only one I couldn't do solely by myself, but I shouldn't have to rely on comparing with other students because it takes my English teacher 4 weeks to mark one of my practice exams...

Not trying to have a whinge, but the amount of PMs I have received from kids that can't understand that I didn't go to a good school, everything was self learnt and I didn't have any tutors...I sometimes wonder what we're up against at these tops schools...

[b^3]

So, if MHS teachers are crappy then teachers at other schools are...?

Guys please, please, quit saying "oh no, we have done so badly this year" when your school obviously hasn't compared to the hundreds of other ones in Victoria.

Amen sister.

At the point where you have to teach your methods and chem teacher things because you've gone ahead and they don't understand...I'd say that's heading towards the definition of a bad teacher. I had to rely on my English teacher because it's the only one I couldn't do solely by myself, but I shouldn't have to rely on comparing with other students because it takes my English teacher 4 weeks to mark one of my practice exams...

Not trying to have a whinge, but the amount of PMs I have received from kids that can't understand that I didn't go to a good school, everything was self learnt and I didn't have any tutors...I sometimes wonder what we're up against at these tops schools...

+1 Luken WELL SAID! But yeh it gets a bit annoying when you continue picking up the physics teachers mistakes and you and a peer basically end up teaching the class, unsure of yourself. Now that I think about it I have to be careful what I say, I know one or two of my teachers who look over AN everynow and then.

[funkyducky]

Everyone needs to stop whining. The bottom line is, there are good teachers and bad teachers in every school, just the proportion of good teachers is significantly higher in schools that can pay them more/attract them, ie. selective schools and private schools. Having said that, you find shit teachers even at a school like mine that can poach good teachers from pretty much any other school. Eg. My chem teacher this year: there were numerous instances during the year when she'd say something (and she talks sooo fast you can't get what she's saying) and me and my friend would look at each other and be like "that's wrong...". One of those people who talks a lot without saying anything.

I think the main issue with education is that more intelligent students are turned away from teaching due to low pay and low respect compared to other professions, so we end up with a lot of teachers who aren't exactly brilliant - people who can't get anything better go into teaching. What this country needs is more respect and better pay for its teachers. One of the best teachers I've ever had graduated with a 99.3ish ENTER and absolutely loves his job. That's how it should be - we shouldn't tell people that they're "wasting" their scores or whatever by going into teaching.
/rant

[b^3]

Everyone needs to stop whining.

Eg. My chem teacher this year: there were numerous instances during the year when she'd say something (and she talks sooo fast you can't get what she's saying) and me and my friend would look at each other and be like "that's wrong...". One of those people who talks a lot without saying anything.

Hmmmm

Nah but I get what you are saying Funkyducky, we've just got to make the best of what we've got.

[funkyducky]

Hey, it was balanced! I gave an example of a good teacher too!!!

[luken93]

I think we're getting to the point where we're talking about cohorts now anyway, not teachers...and they can be a HUGE advantage, but that's another can of worms for another day

[b^3]

Hey, it was balanced! I gave an example of a good teacher too!!!

Fair enough (dam, they always have an answer for everything).

[chocolatedaddy]

Just wondering what constitutes a "bad" teacher. Everyone is saying, 'Aww we have crap teachers'. What makes them crap?

[b^3]

Just wondering what constitutes a "bad" teacher. Everyone is saying, 'Aww we have crap teachers'. What makes them crap?

Being wrong and not accepting it even when you show then two different ways that they are wrong. Not being up to date with the course and giving false information.

I probably shouldn't go too hard on him/her, they only found out they were teaching a yr 12 class two days before the first day of school, it just disadvantages us.

[Charmz]

Just wondering what constitutes a "bad" teacher. Everyone is saying, 'Aww we have crap teachers'. What makes them crap?

Not having the necessary knowledge for the subject they teach or not being able to convey the knowledge they have.  Being dissorganised, ie. coming to class late, loosing the class SACs.. twice (thus having the class re-do them), Loosing practice exams which have been done and needed correcting,  teaching the class incorrect information. Just to name a few things my teachers have done.