male sex drive is to blame for most conflicts

[Russ]

So? Our genetic/hormonal makeup (ie our sex drive) stabilized back then...

[Mech]

So? Our genetic/hormonal makeup (ie our sex drive) stabilized back then...

Not quite sure what you are arguing.

[Russ]

I'm saying you can't say things like

Really, men just need to admit they need women. Having the specialized roles in an economy allows each participant to be efficient; if one is the 'hunter gatherer' and the other is the 'warrior' who works, so be it. It does not matter which one does that job, as long as it is done in some form or manner

Back when our biological systems were working themselves out, very definite organizations were made and constructed around sex drive etc. and you can't just say "but now we can talk about it so it shouldn't matter". It does matter who does it now, because of how we evolved to be in this situation.

[Mech]

I'm saying you can't say things like...

Back when our biological systems were working themselves out, very definite organizations were made and constructed around sex drive etc. and you can't just say "but now we can talk about it so it shouldn't matter". It does matter who does it now, because of how we evolved to be in this situation.

That is not what I am trying to say at all. I am saying that this dichotomy is beneficial as each makes sure there is a specialised individual for each role; that is still the case if either sex pursues the "working" or "nurturer" role. Sexual economics work on someone fulfilling that role and a synergy between the two units for their mutual benefit.

Do you not think women should be able to work? Do you not think men can nurture their children? And I can say things like that, as I just did. Men have no excuse to be belligerent towards the opposite sex when they now have perfectly functioning neocortex to communicate and not be violent/suppressive of women. Similarly, most jobs now require cerebral skills and not brawn; women are more than capable to do most jobs, if not all jobs.

[Russ]

that is still the case if either sex pursues the "working" or "nurturer" role.

And what I'm saying is that it does matter, because people will be driven in certain ways.
Men can nurture children, women can work but you're still going to get conflict because of the way our body works. We evolved a certain way and the fact that contemporary society is different means nothing. Your hormones are still going to drive you in a certain way. And your hormone levels define your neuroanatomy ffs

And I can say things like that, as I just did.

Seriously....?

[Mech]

And what I'm saying is that it does matter, because people will be driven in certain ways.
Men can nurture children, women can work but you're still going to get conflict because of the way our body works. We evolved a certain way and the fact that contemporary society is different means nothing. Your hormones are still going to drive you in a certain

What relevance does this have to me stating that it is advantageous to have a specialist role economy? Or to the fact that we have communication skills and more available skills - yes, even in our neuroanatomy - to attend to conflicts without the degree of violence of the past. If you think I am stating that we are somehow beyond violence now, you have misinterpreted or misconstrued what I have said. The ethos of religion and many systems in society have tried to suppress women. Contemporary society is important in evolution; contemporary society is our environment which we evolve in. Basically you have stated that we have propensities as man and woman, which is true; however, I am proposing a normative model of how I believe society should exist - without misogynistic institutions like some religions, without this culture of women and men can only occupy certain roles and to be more open to less violent modes of dispute resolution. What part of this do you not agree with?

And yes, seriously, I do not appreciate being told what I can and cannot say; argue with me, fine, but I find that a peeve of mine.

[Russ]

What part of this do you not agree with?

That it's not realistic

[Mech]

What part of this do you not agree with?

That it's not realistic

Hence it is a normative model. How I conceive things should or ought to be. Some people say wanting international Human Rights protection is unrealistic, too, but it does not mean one cannot aspire for such a thing. This still has not addressed how a specialist economy and how our increased communication skills has given us a skill set large enough so that we can use considerably less violence.

[Mariammm]

Ok, I'm not trying to diss my own gender but really, 'tend and befriend' nature?? Tend maybe but not befriend ... If you go/have been to a co-ed school you will see the difference between the welcoming of a new boy compared to a new girl.
The guy will be kicking goals on the oval and hanging out with the other guys right away ... The girl on the other hand will undergo intense analysis by the other members of her sex before she may be deemed worthy to join in... When guys fight, they forget about it by the next day but when girls fight... Oh my... Expect tears and rumours and fireworks ... A punch-on is a quicker and more peaceful approach ... Unless a man's ego is attacked, males are very easy to get along with and their relationships with one another are far less complicated and alot more amiable than that of females ... I think twice before I say something to a female friend because it can be interpreted in 150 ways but with guy friends, I go right ahead and say what I want to say... They are usually not offended by my lack of sugar -coating and frank ways...
I'm speaking generally here ... Of course there exceptions but this is from my own observations

[happycat]

yeah male sex drive is also responsible for this http://www.atlnightspots.com/2011/boy-dies-after-masturbating-42-times

That's quite scary, now I know that masturbation is fatal in extreme cases of masturbation addiction.