BEST COURSE FOR ME?

[b^3]

Had a quick browse of what has been said and i think the others have covered it, don't judge a book by it's cover. Same deal with courses, don't judge it by the clearly in score.

I am just saying this because i know a few people who got into the Bachelor of Science that got as low as 83 on their atar. This makes me feel science isn't that great of a course.

Ok um... I dont want to sound like im attacking you but in most courses there are reserved spots for SEAS students, these students have been disadvantaged in a way that has affected their year 12 studies. So how does this make it not a great course? Because students got in with a lesser atar? Big whoop imo

Don't do the course because of what ATAR is required to get in, do it because you ENJOY IT!

[Russ]

Someone linked me to these two:

the family aspect of it (you spend 5 years with people who are almost certain to all graduate)...etc.

I don't know what on earth you think is happening at UoM but if you replace the 5 with a 4... (or a 7 if you're a UoM undergrad...)

What I disagree with in this conversation is argonaut's generalisations, and claim that Melbourne has the only world-class Med degree in Australia. Monash may not be great in other areas (eg. commerce, science, arts...), but the Med faculty is generally considered to be one of the better Med faculties in Australia.

I guess it depends on how you define world class, but nobody should be arguing that UoM isn't the best medical school in the country.

[paulsterio]

LOL! Russ, I have no idea what goes on at Melbourne, but at Monash, MUMUS (the med society) are absolutely awesome! And it seems as if we're having so much more fun than the other degrees!

Btw, what is world class? :S

And umm, I think UoM was the best medical school in the country, then they introduced the Melbourne Model.

[Russ]

And it seems as if we're having so much more fun than the other degrees!

Well, I'm sure that generalization is definitely true.

Btw, what is world class? :S

Well that was what I was saying, it depends on how far you want to take the definition, but the UoM medical school has always been ranked above the Monash one for as long as I've been checking rankings.

And umm, I think UoM was the best medical school in the country, then they introduced the Melbourne Model.

And what differences did this make to the quality/content of the course?

[Thu Thu Train]

A mod should lock this thread before it turns into a debate about which med school is better.

[Mech]

I am just saying this because i know a few people who got into the Bachelor of Science that got as low as 83 on their atar. This makes me feel science isn't that great of a course.

At UoM? ATAR has nothing to do with quality, but everything to do with how desirable a course is. I believe the BSc is the most popular degree at Melbourne (if not, Arts). It has a high demand - with the few exceptions of SEAS applicants - and therefore a high ATAR. You are presenting an asinine point. Those people you are implicitly belittling as getting an eighty three, have the potential to trample all over you in university with the attitude you have.  Part of me hopes it happens and knocks some humility into you. You have no idea what circumstances they had to endure and an eighty three is a wonderful score (and a high one at that).

[paulsterio]

Mech is right, ATAR has nothing to do with quality, it's the demand of a course.


I don't understand why you single out one particular person with an 83 as their ATAR, do you know nothing about statistics? That person is a SEAS applicant and in some ways, you can consider them an outlier, which means that they shouldn't even be included in statistical calculations.


I hope the same as Mech, really, had you got a 99.00+ ATAR, your attitude might be somewhat forgiveable and understandable as you have a choice of other degrees with stronger cohorts (such as BBioMed), but with a 91.35, you'll probably be in the bottom 25% or so of UoM BSc students, so you can't exactly say that you're better than the majority of the cohort, so it's not as if you're in the top few, really don't look down on other people.

[Mech]

I hope the same as Mech, really, had you got a 99.00+ ATAR, your attitude might be somewhat forgiveable and understandable as you have a choice of other degrees with stronger cohorts (such as BBioMed), but with a 91.35, you'll probably be in the bottom 25% or so of UoM BSc students, so you can't exactly say that you're better than the majority of the cohort, so it's not as if you're in the top few, really don't look down on other people.

But that is all purely within the parameters of the ATAR. That does not reflect someone's abilities to apply themselves in the future. I would not even say the attitude 91.35 is forgiveable even if he had an ATAR of ninety nine or greater. Be thankful you have the opportunities, embrace them and let others get on with their courses and lives without belittling them. Sure, humour aside - I get a lot about doing Arts -, but actually taking aim at someone over their ATAR trying to claim you are better equates to prick waving (or, as I have previously referred to it as, cock jousting).

[paulsterio]

No, I know it's not forgivable, but at least his claims wouldn't be so outlandish. If you're in the bottom 25% of something, you generally don't have much of a right to put down the others.

It's hard to express, but I think you get my drift