BEST COURSE FOR ME?

[TrueTears]

The Monash MBBS cohort and the second tier UoM Biomed cohort are of equivalent (ATAR) strength.

btw just wanna point out if you're gonna compare cohorts at uni in terms of ATAR scores, then your comparison holds no credibility, ATAR scores mean jack shit at university, a 99.95 means nothing

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btw just wanna point out if you're gonna compare cohorts at uni in terms of ATAR scores, then your comparison holds no credibility, ATAR scores mean jack shit at university, a 99.95 means nothing

You don't know how awesome you are.

[paulsterio]

Sheer weight of numbers.

Thushan (god bless him) is one of a handful Chancellor's Scholars calibre students who opted for Monash.
The overwhelming majority (approx 60 all told) went for MD
There's got to be something in that stat

That's a fallacy. So if you're saying that everyone speeds then somehow speeding is seen as acceptable and the way to go? No, I don't think so.

You can't just say that since there's a large number of students wanting to go with that pathway, that it makes that pathway a good one.

Also, I know a lot of 99.90's and 99.95's, even ask Thushan, I could probably name up to around 8 up the top of my head.

[Planck's constant]

a 99.95 means nothing

99.95 is huge
Almost as big as making the first 18

[TrueTears]

yup just like my first A+ in primary school was huge, it was so indicative of my abilities in highschool

cant tell if you're trolling or what but incase you misinterpreted, a 99.95 means nothing at university, yeah okay it means you're a sikkent at VCE, but welcome to reality at university

[Planck's constant]

yup just like my first A+ in primary school was huge, it was so indicative of my abilities in highschool

You did all right

As for your other question, I dont particularly care which Medical course people choose.
I have always been one of those 'Please God anything but Medicine' people.
You seem to be likewise.

But I have pondered over the Monash MBBS/UoM Biomed question.

Take someone like your good self.
A solid 99.75 ATAR.
What is it that makes people of that calibre choose the uncertainty of UoM/Biomed over the certainty of Monash MBBS?
There has got to be a logical explanation.

[thushan]

TrueTears - agree with you 100%.

Argo - hold your horses mate, you're over interpreting! Firstly, not all the Chancellors' Scholars people want to do Medicine. Secondly, they may have opted for Chancellors' Scholars because they're not entirely sure whether they want to do med. Thirdly, the people who chose Chancellors' Scholars over Monash Med were generally 99.90ers, so they had the awesome scholarship from Melbourne, but not the more awesome one from Monash. Fourthly, you forget that many people are doing melbourne biomed because they didn't get INTO monash med. People with ATARs around 99.7-99.8 may not get into Monash med on account of UMAT and interview!

As programs, I can say that both the Melbourne and the Monash medical programs are excellent, and Monash is also bringing in some new innovations into their medical program.

Also, speaking of world standard, if you do either degree and go to the US to practice, either way you're gonna have to sit the USMLE - the licensing examinations. Plus, if you are practising as a doctor, trust me when I say, international medical graduates have it so hard that it doesn't matter what Aussie uni you go to, and most medical graduates practise in Australia, where alma mater means nothing.

[funkyducky]

Have you ever considered the following flaws in your logic:

a) Who says every single BBiomed Chancellor's student wants to do MD after? I have a friend who is doing BBiomed Chancellor's because she wants to do Biomedical Engineering afterwards - she has zero interest in the MD. There are doubtless more amongst the numbers in a similar situation, or at the very least, some who are "keeping their options open".

b) Not every 99.90+ student would have necessarily had the UMAT/interview/etc. to get into MBBS at Monash. For someone in that situation, the BBiomed with guaranteed MD is a safer choice - or perhaps they applied for MBBS and didn't get in, maybe didn't even get an interview. I imagine that there are plenty of kids who aren't sure they want to do Med, and are taking an option that let's them test the waters before taking the plunge. In the case of 99.90ers, the prospect of a full scholarship and no HECS for BBiomed + guaranteed CSP place for MD is a lot more attractive than not even being sure whether you'll get into MBBS, let alone receive a scholarship.

c) Some people choose this option to pursue their interests and receive academic enrichment. My 99.95er friend got 100 percentile UMAT and was obviously eligible for MBBS at Monash, but chose to take Chancellor's Scholars Science at Melbourne. Why? FOR FUN. She is in the fortunate position of being able to do a course for her own enjoyment and intellectual stimulation. If I had gotten a 99.90+, I would've faced a similar dilemma of choosing between MBBS (practical option, leads to career in 5 years), or BSci + MD (fun option ).

What is it that makes people of that calibre choose the uncertainty of UoM/Biomed over the certainty of Monash MBBS?

It's the other way around: for someone with 99.90+, UoM is guaranteed, MBBS is not. I've seen a few high ATAR kids whose chances at getting into MBBS were compromised by their UMAT scores + interview.

d) Define 'World Class'.

[acrimony]

Guys, guys, guys... Settle. What argonaut is trying to say is had it not been for Melbourne medicine taking 2 years longer than Monash, than most would've chosen UoM undoubtedly. Apart from Melbourne and ANU, no one would have a clue about Monash's existence, internationally that is, (but who cares). And like come on who the hell wants to go to University in Clayton, that God forsaken place in woop woop.

[Mech]

I think we should all just sit down and have a whiskey. Take a load off and smile.

[EvangelionZeta]

Word on the street is that Melbourne's Medical School is the best in Australia.  Probably makes more sense as a choice if you want to pursue higher level research.  I've also been told by students in later year Monash MBBS and UNSW MBBS that the Monash Med course cuts a lot of corners, and isn't as comprehensive/well taught as some of the other top-tier ones. 

I recommended one of my students (99.90) who got into both ChScholars and MBBS to go MBBS.  Reasoning?  He knew he just wanted to practice, and that he wanted to be a doctor for the sake of helping the community.  If that's what you want, then Monash makes perfect sense as a choice - why bother using an extra year if you're just after the vocation?

Long story short, accept each degree for what it really is.  If you want prestige and what is possibly a more enriching education, Melbourne is better.  If you want the job, and a chance to get into the 'real world' faster, go Monash.  Sounds fair?  Cool story EZ.

I would now join Mech in consuming a tumbler of whiskey.  Chillax guys.

[funkyducky]

Guys, guys, guys... Settle. What argonaut is trying to say is had it not been for Melbourne medicine taking 2 years longer than Monash, than most would've chosen UoM undoubtedly. Apart from Melbourne and ANU, no one would have a clue about Monash's existence, internationally that is, (but who cares). And like come on who the hell wants to go to University in Clayton, that God forsaken place in woop woop.

This, I agree with. If Melb had undergrad Med, I would pick it over Monash because of the quality and recognition of Melbourne degrees, as well as their focus on research. The Melb MD is far more research-oriented in comparison to Monash MBBS, which is very clinically-oriented.
If I'd gotten into Chancellor's Scholars Program, I would've probably taken it. Mostly because I would've loved a chance to study more maths/chem/etc., do some breadth and chillax.

What I disagree with in this conversation is argonaut's generalisations, and claim that Melbourne has the only world-class Med degree in Australia. Monash may not be great in other areas (eg. commerce, science, arts...), but the Med faculty is generally considered to be one of the better Med faculties in Australia. Similarly, the Monash Engineering faculty seems to have recently upped it's game. 5 years ago, I wouldn't have considered studying at Monash much. I would've gone to Melb Uni. The Melbourne Model changed things though. I have mixed feelings - love the breadth component, hate the idea of highly competitive postgrad courses with no guaranteed CSP that are undergrad at other unis.

[Planck's constant]

Guys, guys, guys... Settle. What argonaut is trying to say is had it not been for Melbourne medicine taking 2 years longer than Monash, than most would've chosen UoM undoubtedly. Apart from Melbourne and ANU, no one would have a clue about Monash's existence, internationally that is, (but who cares). And like come on who the hell wants to go to University in Clayton, that God forsaken place in woop woop.

This, I agree with. If Melb had undergrad Med, I would pick it over Monash because of the quality and recognition of Melbourne degrees, as well as their focus on research. The Melb MD is far more research-oriented in comparison to Monash MBBS, which is very clinically-oriented.
If I'd gotten into Chancellor's Scholars Program, I would've probably taken it. Mostly because I would've loved a chance to study more maths/chem/etc., do some breadth and chillax.

What I disagree with in this conversation is argonaut's generalisations, and claim that Melbourne has the only world-class Med degree in Australia. Monash may not be great in other areas (eg. commerce, science, arts...), but the Med faculty is generally considered to be one of the better Med faculties in Australia. Similarly, the Monash Engineering faculty seems to have recently upped it's game. 5 years ago, I wouldn't have considered studying at Monash much. I would've gone to Melb Uni. The Melbourne Model changed things though. I have mixed feelings - love the breadth component, hate the idea of highly competitive postgrad courses with no guaranteed CSP that are undergrad at other unis.

You say you disagree with me, and yet you have argued MY case better than I have
If I had to pick a case study in support of my argument, you would be IT.

I rest my case

[gs]

This is what it takes to compete for a spot at Australia's only World Class Medical School.
As it should be.

Take your blindfold off and take a look outside. You'd be surprised.

[91.35]

My dad teaches 1st year medicine at University of Melbourne, hopefully he can put in a good word for me to get me into the MD course.