Umat scores and medentry scores?

[jmosh002]

Hi guys,
I just completed exam 5 and recieved the results,
Sec 1 - 80th percentile
Sec 2 - 77th percentile
Sec 3 - 91st percentile

Can anyone give me a rough estimate of what my umat score will be, based on these medentry exam results as a guide?
thanks

[pi]

I'd hazard a guess at ~85%ile

[illuminati]

I'd be more optimistic.
Probably 97%ile as medentry is harder than the actual (for s1 and s3)
That being said, its only accurate if you do a real UMAT exam under pressure and conditions...

[jmosh002]

I'd be more optimistic.
Probably 97%ile as medentry is harder than the actual (for s1 and s3)
That being said, its only accurate if you do a real UMAT exam under pressure and conditions...

97!!!! Did i read that right? I would be ecstatic if i got anywhere near that score!

[paulsterio]

It's too hard to give any sort of real estimate, post up your raw scores instead for each section and I can give a better estimate than from MedEntry percentiles

[pi]

I was assuming those percentiles for the UMAT too

Still, I think I did better in the few trials I did (I know others like this too), and I defs did not get 97%ile...

[jmosh002]

It's too hard to give any sort of real estimate, post up your raw scores instead for each section and I can give a better estimate than from MedEntry percentiles

sec1) 32/44
sec2) 3140
sec3) 29/38

this was for exam 5

i did sec 2 and 3 on time, but took an extra 15 minutes for sec 1

[paulsterio]

Alright,

Section 1: 32/44 -> 30/44 -> 0.6818 (you went 15 minutes over, so I'll take off 2 for comparison purposes)
Section 2: 31/40 -> 0.775
Section 3: 29/38 -> 0.7632

Overall Score (Average) -> 74

Adjustment -> 70-ish

This equates to around 98th Percentile

[jmosh002]

Alright,

Section 1: 32/44 -> 30/44 -> 0.6818 (you went 15 minutes over, so I'll take off 2 for comparison purposes)
Section 2: 31/40 -> 0.775
Section 3: 29/38 -> 0.7632

Overall Score (Average) -> 74

Adjustment -> 70-ish

This equates to around 98th Percentile

thanks, also do you think 77th percentile (sec 2) is a little low for a 31/40? i thought this would've been in at least the 80s?

[shinny]

Alright,

Section 1: 32/44 -> 30/44 -> 0.6818 (you went 15 minutes over, so I'll take off 2 for comparison purposes)
Section 2: 31/40 -> 0.775
Section 3: 29/38 -> 0.7632

Overall Score (Average) -> 74

Adjustment -> 70-ish

This equates to around 98th Percentile

Really not sure how accurate that method is. The section scores you get from UMAT aren't raw percentages. It's not known how they're calculated as far as I'm aware, but they're most definitely not percentages. It's presumed that certain questions are weighted more than others. I've had friends with over 100 section scores to prove this point. Ultimately, it depends how hard this test is as well, since the raw scores ultimately end up being compared to others.

Hi guys,
I just completed exam 5 and recieved the results,
Sec 1 - 80th percentile
Sec 2 - 77th percentile
Sec 3 - 91st percentile

Can anyone give me a rough estimate of what my umat score will be, based on these medentry exam results as a guide?
thanks

Just be aware of the bias of MedEntry. It's still early in the year, so those who would've done these exams already are generally pretty smart to begin with. Furthermore, those who choose to do MedEntry in the first place are generally pretty smart to begin with as well. So really, expect these scores to go up a bit in the next few coming months. That's what typically tends to happen. Waiting and seeing what these percentiles approach a lot closer to the actual UMAT will give you a fairly decent estimation overall.

[jmosh002]

Alright,

Section 1: 32/44 -> 30/44 -> 0.6818 (you went 15 minutes over, so I'll take off 2 for comparison purposes)
Section 2: 31/40 -> 0.775
Section 3: 29/38 -> 0.7632

Overall Score (Average) -> 74

Adjustment -> 70-ish

This equates to around 98th Percentile

Really not sure how accurate that method is. The section scores you get from UMAT aren't raw percentages. It's not known how they're calculated as far as I'm aware, but they're most definitely not percentages. It's presumed that certain questions are weighted more than others. I've had friends with over 100 section scores to prove this point. Ultimately, it depends how hard this test is as well, since the raw scores ultimately end up being compared to others.

Hi guys,
I just completed exam 5 and recieved the results,
Sec 1 - 80th percentile
Sec 2 - 77th percentile
Sec 3 - 91st percentile

Can anyone give me a rough estimate of what my umat score will be, based on these medentry exam results as a guide?
thanks

Just be aware of the bias of MedEntry. It's still early in the year, so those who would've done these exams already are generally pretty smart to begin with. Furthermore, those who choose to do MedEntry in the first place are generally pretty smart to begin with as well. So really, expect these scores to go up a bit in the next few coming months. That's what typically tends to happen. Waiting and seeing what these percentiles approach a lot closer to the actual UMAT will give you a fairly decent estimation overall.

Yep i agree on you there. I am in year 10, so i have a bit of a while to go, and i am studying quite hard for the umat at the moment. Do you think this a good or bad idea, as my parents think i may burn out by year 12 from overstudying. (is studying for the umat too much a negative aspect?)

[pi]

Studying too hard for anything over a long period of time is a one-way road to burning out. If you're in yr10 now, I'd advise you to just calm down a bit and enjoy your last year of relatively no work a bit more than you are doing now.

[paulsterio]

Shinny, it worked for me, generally I was getting around 75% for Section 1 - ended up getting 78, 55% for Section 2 - ended up getting 50 and 89% for Section 3 - ended up getting 90

So I reckon although it's not 100% accurate, the UMAT section scores are essentially just scaled percentages, I think.

Btw, with mine, they're averages of multiple UMAT practice exams, so I have a larger sample space.

[shinny]

Studying too much for it can't really be harmful unless you burn out, but I'm just not sure as to whether it's effective and efficient. I basically crammed it in the six weeks between midyear exams and the actual UMAT, and by the end of those six weeks, I felt like I pretty much reached my limit. It's a pretty tough exam to study for and expect to significantly improve your results from your study.

Shinny, it worked for me, generally I was getting around 75% for Section 1 - ended up getting 78, 55% for Section 2 - ended up getting 50 and 89% for Section 3 - ended up getting 90

So I reckon although it's not 100% accurate, the UMAT section scores are essentially just scaled percentages, I think.

Btw, with mine, they're averages of multiple UMAT practice exams, so I have a larger sample space.

Still sceptical, but if you say so. I've doubts given that the difficulty of MedEntry and the actual UMAT aren't really all that comparable. Could just be a coincidence really. Guess we'll prove/disprove Le Paul's rule with a larger sample size this year.

[paulsterio]

My opinion is that the improvement is somewhat logarithmic, in that at the start, you'll improve quite rapidly, because you're learning "high-yield" techniques. For example, in Section 1, I learnt how to use tables to solve a particular type of problem and that was "high-yield" because there'd always be 2-3 questions which I could use that method for. A few other methods like that and basically my score went from around 28-29 to around 32-33/44. From then on, however, the improvement levels out because you'll still be learning, but what you're learning now isn't as "high-yield". So it probably took me a lot of time to go from 33/44 to around 36/44 (consistently).

The tough thing about the UMAT is the way you have to approach it. In most exams, you can either:
1) Maximise marks gained
2) Minimise marks lost
With VCE, you know you're travelling well when you're in category 2. However, with the UMAT, no matter how good you are, you'll always be in category 1, you just have to maximise your marks, there's just no way you can answer everything and get everything right, so basically you have to be tactical about how you approach it, for example, sacrificing accuracy for speed or skipping questions which you feel you can't do...etc.